Current Affairs China and its treatment of minorities

[Methuselah]

He doesn't have to be ancient to understand or have knowledge of history. Likewise, you can be elderly and know or comprehend absolutely nothing.

Depends which 'history' you have knowledge of, there is a lot of biased crap out there. When you live through something, you know what you lived through.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Depends which 'history' you have knowledge of, there is a lot of biased crap out there. When you live through something, you know what you lived through.

You lived through your interpretation. Doesn't mean you understand all the detail of time period or all of the facts surrounding an event.

 

[Mr. White]

Lots more shocking scenes over the past 24 hours.

The 'police' (can we even call them HK police anymore) have now taken up positions inside shopping malls and have been accosting people and searching them.

Journalists have been barred from entering.



Theres also police coming out of police stations in full police uniform with backpacks showing US and other foreign flags stuck on them.

The same backpacks are then shown being held by 'protestors' throwing things.

Just the same as last year when 'police' infiltrated the protestors to incite them and then called their colleagues to attack everyone.


I cant see a way out of this now unless a lot of foreign countries impose heavy sanctions on China and HK...

For what it’s worth…..

I went to Hong Kong last year, late November to early December. My Dad lives there. This was around 6 months after the protests started.

I’ve been there before, years ago, when there seemed to be a Police Officer on ‘every street corner’. On my last trip, I barely saw any Police whatsoever. When I did see them, they were hanging around on the edge of central areas, seemingly on standby for any incidents that might flare up. They were keeping a low profile.

I had the misfortune to have to visit a police station while I was there, and the police station in question was barricaded in. It was set up like a heavily defended fortress, the kind of thing you might see in Northern Ireland.

So, from my admittedly limited experience there, I didn’t see any signs of heavy handed, provocative policing.

There were signs of previous riots everywhere….paving stones and barriers ripped up, traffic lights destroyed, vending machines and turnstiles in subway stations were heavily vandalised. There were signs of arson. Lives were put at risk by rioters. Imagine the possible consequences of starting fires at the street level of a heavily populated tenement block.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, and of the people I spoke to there, they all had differing opinions on their current issues.

I just wish them all well. Hong Kong is the most amazing and safest place that I have ever been to. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could.

 

[peteblue]

You lived through your interpretation. Doesn't mean you understand all the detail of time period or all of the facts surrounding an event.

Bit like you and Cummings really.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Bit like you and Cummings really.....

Quite. I've heard his version of events and it doesn't seem particularly plausible, even after having his witness statement prepared by his legal team...I'm pleased that you seem to support an inquiry into the events for better understanding.

Or can you furnish us with the facts that neither Cummings nor the PM will elaborate on?

 

[peteblue]

Shocking isn’t it.

on another note, I wonder what role will UK play in this impending mass exodus.

I think and hope that we will support them......

 

[davek]

For what it’s worth…..

I went to Hong Kong last year, late November to early December. My Dad lives there. This was around 6 months after the protests started.

I’ve been there before, years ago, when there seemed to be a Police Officer on ‘every street corner’. On my last trip, I barely saw any Police whatsoever. When I did see them, they were hanging around on the edge of central areas, seemingly on standby for any incidents that might flare up. They were keeping a low profile.

I had the misfortune to have to visit a police station while I was there, and the police station in question was barricaded in. It was set up like a heavily defended fortress, the kind of thing you might see in Northern Ireland.

So, from my admittedly limited experience there, I didn’t see any signs of heavy handed, provocative policing.

There were signs of previous riots everywhere….paving stones and barriers ripped up, traffic lights destroyed, vending machines and turnstiles in subway stations were heavily vandalised. There were signs of arson. Lives were put at risk by rioters. Imagine the possible consequences of starting fires at the street level of a heavily populated tenement block.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, and of the people I spoke to there, they all had differing opinions on their current issues.

I just wish them all well. Hong Kong is the most amazing and safest place that I have ever been to. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could.

Indeed. It's a complex issue, and there's been right and wrong actions on both sides.

I dont believe our knowledge of the situation is advanced by certain posters using ridculous terminology like "Chinazis".

It's very provocative (the number of racist attacks on Chinese-Britons is a scandal, and it's on social media that those idiots get their vile stereotypes), and quite probably racist.

 

[Zatara]

For what it’s worth…..

I went to Hong Kong last year, late November to early December. My Dad lives there. This was around 6 months after the protests started.

I’ve been there before, years ago, when there seemed to be a Police Officer on ‘every street corner’. On my last trip, I barely saw any Police whatsoever. When I did see them, they were hanging around on the edge of central areas, seemingly on standby for any incidents that might flare up. They were keeping a low profile.

I had the misfortune to have to visit a police station while I was there, and the police station in question was barricaded in. It was set up like a heavily defended fortress, the kind of thing you might see in Northern Ireland.

So, from my admittedly limited experience there, I didn’t see any signs of heavy handed, provocative policing.

There were signs of previous riots everywhere….paving stones and barriers ripped up, traffic lights destroyed, vending machines and turnstiles in subway stations were heavily vandalised. There were signs of arson. Lives were put at risk by rioters. Imagine the possible consequences of starting fires at the street level of a heavily populated tenement block.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, and of the people I spoke to there, they all had differing opinions on their current issues.

I just wish them all well. Hong Kong is the most amazing and safest place that I have ever been to. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could.

Ive seen a lot of police over the past 3 years, but only really in central or occasionally Wan Chai, never anywhere else.

When one of the 1st massive protest with millions of people was taking place I was in Wan Chai in one of the English pubs and had to cross the street half wasted to get to HSBC.

Everyone was friendly and no problems at all...the police who were dotted around were just calmly watching...

...then on my next trip the mood was different and the locals were showing me videos and telling me stories of neighbours whose kids had disappeared or how teenage girls bodies had been found after last being seen speaking with the police.

At this point i dont consider them to be 'rioters'. The police batter and kidnap the locals + there are 'suicides' (which is why those caught shout their names and "i wont suicide")...the police are praised online in China and have instagram accounts with lots of Chinese supporters where they post and call the HK public (who pay their wages) cockroaches.

The place at the moment is totally doomed.


Its a potentially interesting business opportunity if you want to deal with Chinese companies now...but be based in HK. No one else in Asia will want to deal with HK now when we can use SG.

 

[Methuselah]

You lived through your interpretation. Doesn't mean you understand all the detail of time period or all of the facts surrounding an event.

Still closer to reality than reading the views of someone who also didn't understand all the detail of time period and facts and probably had an agenda.

 

[Zatara]

Reminds me of the time in the Miner's strike when coppers and soldiers were routinely deployed as agent provocateurs to start trouble so that pickets would be forcibly broken up by the law.

The lengths our goverenments will go to in order to stay in control, eh?

Tsk.

Youve finally seen common sense

 

[davek]

Youve finally seen common sense

Not 'finally'. I've always been against state repression, be it in the west or any other place.

I just think a thread like this can, if it doesn't have balance and context, descent to cold war rhetoric and anti-Chinese sentiment, which is then visited on Chinese-Britons...and we've seen plenty of that during this crisis.

It's not helpful using epithets like 'Chinazi', for sure.

 

[davek]

The UK must step up to the plate here and give assistance to HKers. Anyone who wants to relocate to the UK must be given the support needed.

TBF, I doubt there'd be too much take up on that offer. Why would they want to leave Hong Kong for a place where Covid19 is rampant, and why would they want to come here to be abused, spat at and attacked in the street for having Asian features?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Still closer to reality than reading the views of someone who also didn't understand all the detail of time period and facts and probably had an agenda.

 

[Paris]

TBF, I doubt there'd be too much take up on that offer. Why would they want to leave Hong Kong for a place where Covid19 is rampant, and why would they want to come here to be abused, spat at and attacked in the street for having Asian features?

You are relentless, I'll give you that.

 

[Zatara]

Not 'finally'. I've always been against state repression, be it in the west or any other place.

I just think a thread like this can, if it doesn't have balance and context, descent to cold war rhetoric and anti-Chinese sentiment, which is then visited on Chinese-Britons...and we've seen plenty of that during this crisis.

It's not helpful using epithets like 'Chinazi', for sure.

TBF, I doubt there'd be too much take up on that offer. Why would they want to leave Hong Kong for a place where Covid19 is rampant, and why would they want to come here to be abused, spat at and attacked in the street for having Asian features?

So in England people are kidnapping, beating, shooting, raping, and 'suiciding' HKers?

If not then whatever it is, its not the same is it Dave?