Current Affairs China and its treatment of minorities

[Paris]

Quite a major leak this from a 'mole' within the Communist Party.

 

[tsubaki]

Quite a major leak this from a 'mole' within the Communist Party.

Utterly shocking and it will be completely ignored, just like all the rest of the things the Chinese Government have done.

One of the most deeply depressing things about modern politics is that every leader bar one who has been in government these past twenty years, here, in the EU and in the US, has gone along with a country that according to reports has been killing people in order to sell their organs as well as what is increasingly looking like carry out a genocide.

That the one exception to this, the one leader that has actually done something - anything - to oppose them (even if it is for completely the wrong reasons) is Trump horrifies me.

 

[coollino]

It's awful, they pretty much have concentration camps for Muslims.

 

[Paris]

Utterly shocking and it will be completely ignored, just like all the rest of the things the Chinese Government have done.

One of the most deeply depressing things about modern politics is that every leader bar one who has been in government these past twenty years, here, in the EU and in the US, has gone along with a country that according to reports has been killing people in order to sell their organs as well as what is increasingly looking like carry out a genocide.

That the one exception to this, the one leader that has actually done something - anything - to oppose them (even if it is for completely the wrong reasons) is Trump horrifies me.

It's those globalist f**ktards who, as long as the money is good, will go along with anything.

 

[davek]

It's awful, they pretty much have concentration camps for Muslims.

Britain has concentration camps for Muslims.

 

[coollino]

Britain has concentration camps for Muslims.

Like this?

Muslim prisoners in China’s Xinjiang concentration camps subjected to gang rape and medical experiments, former detainee says

‘I said to myself that if I was already fated to die, at least I was going to try to escape,’ survivor says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[davek]

Like this?

Muslim prisoners in China’s Xinjiang concentration camps subjected to gang rape and medical experiments, former detainee says

‘I said to myself that if I was already fated to die, at least I was going to try to escape,’ survivor says

www.independent.co.uk

Britain's are called Immigration Detention Centres and they have thousand of inmates, 30 of whom have died in there in the last decade and countelss others ill-treated and denied basic human rights.

What you are highlighting may be true, but you're parroting the west's propaganda on all things Chinese. They are the bogeymen and that's who we all must fall into line with condemning....completely forgetting Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib etc.

 

[tsubaki]

Britain's are called Immigration Detention Centres and they have thousand of inmates, 30 of whom have died in there in the last decade and countelss others ill-treated and denied basic human rights.

What you are highlighting may be true, but you're parroting the west's propaganda on all things Chinese. They are the bogeymen and that's who we all must fall into line with condemning....completely forgetting Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib etc.

Dave - if the US or the UK are killing prisoners in these camps so their organs can be donated to people who are willing to pay for them, then you are making a valid comparison here.

 

[Paris]

Britain's are called Immigration Detention Centres and they have thousand of inmates, 30 of whom have died in there in the last decade and countelss others ill-treated and denied basic human rights.

What you are highlighting may be true, but you're parroting the west's propaganda on all things Chinese. They are the bogeymen and that's who we all must fall into line with condemning....completely forgetting Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib etc.

Okay boomer

 

[davek]

Dave - if the US or the UK are killing prisoners in these camps so their organs can be donated to people who are willing to pay for them, then you are making a valid comparison here.

It's all BS. Not a scrap of evidence.

You fell for the western media propaganda...like you were supposed to.

 

[tsubaki]

It's all BS. Not a scrap of evidence.

You fell for the western media propaganda...like you were supposed to.

Dave - its impossible to have as many organ transplant operations without a corresponding large number of voluntary donors. Its really difficult to schedule replacement organ surgery until you have a donor as well, and yet they were doing it in weeks.

Either they have managed to create replacement organs in the lab - in which case, its the greatest medical discovery of our lifetime - or they are taking them from prisoners. They've admitted the latter already (when they said they had banned the practice in 2015).

 

[davek]

Dave - its impossible to have as many organ transplant operations without a corresponding large number of voluntary donors. Its really difficult to schedule replacement organ surgery until you have a donor as well, and yet they were doing it in weeks.

Either they have managed to create replacement organs in the lab - in which case, its the greatest medical discovery of our lifetime - or they are taking them from prisoners. They've admitted the latter already (when they said they had banned the practice in 2015).

Where is your evidence for all this?

Some western crony "journalism" no doubt.


While we're talking of concentration camps, btw, we all do know, I take it, that it was the British who invented them?

 

[tsubaki]

Where is your evidence for all this?

Some western crony "journalism" no doubt.


While we're talking of concentration camps, btw, we all do know, I take it, that it was the British who invented them?

a former deputy health minister (via the Guardian):

China will stop using executed prisoners as a source of organs for transplants from 1 January, the head of the country’s organ donation committee has said.

The move, which has been widely welcomed by human rights groups, will worsen the huge shortfall in organs in the short term. Death row prisoners have provided the overwhelming majority of transplanted organs for years, owing to high demand and low donation rates. But in future their organs will only be used if they volunteer to donate and their families approve the decision.

Huang Jiefu, head of the donation committee, told a meeting on Wednesday that almost 40 major transplant centres had already stopped using such organs, the Southern Metropolis Daily reported.

Huang, a former deputy health minister, said in late 2012 that China would end its reliance on organs from executed prisoners within two years.

He warned this week that as many as 300,000 patients need transplants each year, but that only 10,000 or so receive them. While the number of organ donations was still very low – 1,500 so far this year – he said that exceeded the amount donated between 2010 and 2013.

“I believe the situation for organ donation will get better and better,” Huang added.

Donor shortages are an international problem, but Huang noted that the average organ donation rate was 0.6 per million people in China, compared with 37 per million in Spain.

 

[davek]

a former deputy health minister (via the Guardian):

But you implied they were being killed for their organs. Your posts suggested that they were captured and impriosned to be harvested.

In other words: you presented the situation EXACTLY as you were supposed to...primed to.

There's a geo-political war going on between the US and China and in which Britain sides with the US. That's the nub of this.

 

[tsubaki]

But you implied they were being killed for their organs. Your posts suggested that they were captured and impriosned to be harvested.

In other words: you presented the situation EXACTLY as you were supposed to...primed to.

There's a geo-political war going on between the US and China and in which Britain sides with the US. That's the nub of this.

No, my posts suggested they were using prisoners for harvesting - which they admit to in the past, and which they appear to still be doing given the number of procedures despite the (apparently) low numbers of voluntary donors.