Current Affairs China and its treatment of minorities

[davek]

No, my posts suggested they were using prisoners for harvesting - which they admit to in the past, and which they appear to still be doing given the number of procedures despite the (apparently) low numbers of voluntary donors.

You said "[they]are killing prisoners in these camps so their organs can be donated to people who are willing to pay for them".

There's a massive difference between executing prisoners because that was their sentence, and killing prisoners to harvest their organs.

I'm not defending the Chinese judicial system by the way, it sounds horrific. I just know that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and that we shou;ld all be aware of manipulation from western news agencies who are part of the soft war against the Chinese.

 

[peteblue]

You said "[they]are killing prisoners in these camps so their organs can be donated to people who are willing to pay for them".

There's a massive difference between executing prisoners because that was their sentence, and killing prisoners to harvest their organs.

I'm not defending the Chinese judicial system by the way, it sounds horrific. I just know that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and that we shou;ld all be aware of manipulation from western news agencies who are part of the soft war against the Chinese.

I agree Dave, yet you somehow, without question, believe that Tories are bad. Perhaps you might reflect that not everything you read or hear is absolutely correct......

 

[davek]

I agree Dave, yet you somehow, without question, believe that Tories are bad. Perhaps you might reflect that not everything you read or hear is absolutely correct......

The Tories are bad.

And anyone who votes for them is a massive helmet and a boot licker.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

The Tories are bad.

And anyone who votes for them is a massive helmet and a boot licker.

Voter turnout is usually 60-70% for a general election, and we have had a two party system for most of the 20th century. Which suggests that you think every third person you pass on the street, in aggregate, is a massive helmet and a boot licker.

Obviously you don't think this, as to do so would be choosing to live in some sort of pathologically crippled isolation. But it does speak to a fundamental issue - why do normal people vote Tory?

 

[davek]

Voter turnout is usually 60-70% for a general election, and we have had a two party system for most of the 20th century. Which suggests that you think every third person you pass on the street, in aggregate, is a massive helmet and a boot licker.

Obviously you don't think this, as to do so would be choosing to live in some sort of pathologically crippled isolation. But it does speak to a fundamental issue - why do normal people vote Tory?

I do.

 

[degsy]

Bad meffs them.
But nobody outside of China has the juice to get them to stop...and I'm not expecting an internal uprising any time soon either.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Britain's are called Immigration Detention Centres and they have thousand of inmates, 30 of whom have died in there in the last decade and countelss others ill-treated and denied basic human rights.

What you are highlighting may be true, but you're parroting the west's propaganda on all things Chinese. They are the bogeymen and that's who we all must fall into line with condemning....completely forgetting Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib etc.

Are people placed in immigration detention centres because they are Muslim?

 

[Yarrgh]

Voter turnout is usually 60-70% for a general election, and we have had a two party system for most of the 20th century. Which suggests that you think every third person you pass on the street, in aggregate, is a massive helmet and a boot licker.

Obviously you don't think this, as to do so would be choosing to live in some sort of pathologically crippled isolation. But it does speak to a fundamental issue - why do normal people vote Tory?

I suspect it might be higher! I also suspect that being a boot licking supplicant is ingrained in many of us, myself included, by living in this country.

 

[davek]

Are people placed in immigration detention centres because they are Muslim?

Yes.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Yes.

They're not though are they? As if you're a legal immigrant or a British citizen you won't be arrested and placed in an Immigration Detention Centre, will you? The authorities aren't rounding up Muslims at random to throw them in Immigration Detention Centers. You end up in one because you break the law regarding immigration whilst your case is decided upon. We can debate the rights and wrongs of immigration law but nobody is in one simply because they are a Muslim.

 

[davek]

They're not though are they? As if you're a legal immigrant or a British citizen you won't be arrested and placed in an Immigration Detention Centre, will you? The authorities aren't rounding up Muslims at random to throw them in Immigration Detention Centers. You end up in one because you break the law regarding immigration whilst your case is decided upon. We can debate the rights and wrongs of immigration law but nobody is in one simply because they are a Muslim.

The party of government in this country is riven top to bottom with Islamophobia, their immigration and home affairs policies are injected with anti-Muslim activity.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

The party of government in this country is riven top to bottom with Islamophobia, their immigration and home affairs policies are injected with anti-Muslim activity.

But nobody is in an Immigration Detention Center on no basis other than their religion, are they?

 

[Black Belt Jones]

I suspect it might be higher! I also suspect that being a boot licking supplicant is ingrained in many of us, myself included, by living in this country.

Why do you think that - more so than living in another Western European country like France or Germany, say?

If you want to talk ingrained supplication then China is probably unsurpassed - I've worked with loads of Chinese people, been over many times, and the indoctrination that still exists even from the time of Mao is an eye-opener. Met some very educated people, who've worked in the West, yet visibly struggle with any sort of criticism of the communist regime. The Great Helmsman passed a generation ago yet his thought police are working to this day.

On the other hand these same people can have a complete IDGAF attitude about the rules that makes them very creative and capable of achieving things we couldn't contemplate doing here, and do make us appear hidebound and subservient.

I guess the two cultures have very different ways of achieving control.

 

[Blue 1]

why do normal people vote Tory?

Also, I should add that I live in pathologically crippled isolation.

 

[Zatara]

The party of government in this country is riven top to bottom with Islamophobia, their immigration and home affairs policies are injected with anti-Muslim activity.