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Burnley Case

Pay one club out and you're admitting knowledge of the misconduct or whatever it's called.
You have to stand by your case whether you lose or not.
Well- we lost again now going to appeal- unfair - yes - this bodes under the jess Moshiri & BK left at the end of the day - damage limitation is all we can achieve now ...
 
It doesn’t.
It was a 1.9 million payment to Leeds.
They argued they were right and short of 1.9 million.
We argued we were right but because the costs of Lawyers and the rest we said we will pay you the 1.9 million to save the mess.
It’s not an admission of guilt.
As I said yesterday.
An out of court settlement is not an admittance of guilt. It's a matter of risk.
 
I wasn't reading The Esks article. I let AI summarise it for me:

Paul Quinn's article argues that Everton have strong grounds to overturn or significantly reduce the £26 million compensation award made to Burnley following Everton's PSR breach. He identifies seven main appeal arguments.


1. Causation was based on a "coin-flip" probability​


Quinn's central criticism is that the Commission treated a 51.47% probability that Everton would have been relegated as sufficient proof that Burnley would have survived. He argues that a margin of just a few percentage points is effectively statistical uncertainty rather than convincing proof of causation. He believes the Commission wrongly converted a marginal probability into a definitive finding of liability.


2. The Commission preferred the wrong expert evidence​


The article argues that the panel wrongly favoured Burnley's Wilson/Daniels model over Everton expert Mr Holt's econometric analysis. Quinn claims the panel misunderstood Holt's methodology and relied on a model that had already produced results acknowledged to be "improbable" when applied to individual Premier League seasons.


3. The breach had not crystallised when Burnley were relegated​


Burnley were relegated on 22 May 2022, while Everton's PSR breach was only determined after the financial accounts were completed on 30 June 2022. Quinn argues that a breach which legally did not yet exist cannot have caused an event that had already happened.


4. The counterfactual was unrealistic​


The Commission assumed Everton could have generated an additional £19.5m in player trading profits and thereby complied with PSR. Quinn argues this was commercially unrealistic because the Commission also accepted Everton would not have sold certain players at undervalued prices. Therefore, the "alternative world" used by the Commission was not one Everton would realistically have chosen.


5. The £26m compensation figure is flawed​


Quinn argues that Burnley actually benefited substantially from player sales after relegation, generating approximately £83.5m in net player trading receipts. He contends that awarding £26m of damages despite those gains is commercially difficult to justify and that Everton's expert had evidence suggesting Burnley may even have been financially better off overall because of relegation.


6. Double punishment​


Everton had already received a six-point deduction for the same PSR breach. Quinn argues that imposing both a sporting sanction and a large compensation award creates a form of double jeopardy and transforms PSR enforcement into inter-club civil litigation, potentially opening the door to numerous future claims from relegated clubs.


7. Burnley's financial position and enforcement concerns​


The article also criticises the refusal to place the award into escrow pending appeal. Quinn notes concerns about Burnley's balance sheet and argues Everton could face difficulties recovering the money if they eventually win the appeal.


Overall conclusion​


Quinn's overall position is that Everton admitted breaching PSR and accepted the points deduction, but that the Commission's compensation award is legally and economically unsound. He argues the appeal board should either overturn the decision entirely or substantially reduce the award because the findings on causation, timing, counterfactuals and damages are fundamentally flawed.


The most significant point for Everton supporters is probably Ground 1: Quinn believes the entire award rests on a finding that Everton were only marginally (51.47%) more likely than Burnley to have been relegated, and that this slender probability should not have been treated as conclusive proof of causation.
 
Per The Guardian:
The verdict by a Premier League independent disciplinary commission – comprising the same three-man panel that deducted Everton 10 points over the same £19.5m breach in November 2023 – has widespread ramifications for the competition and increases the likelihood of more clubs taking legal action against members who have broken league rules. [Emphasis added.]

[How can that possibly be allowed to happen? The SAME 3 "independent" commissioners? In the interest of fairness and impartiality one would think the panel would need to consist of three different persons than those that arrived at a penalty that was later found to be an egregious decision initially (the 10 pts. reduced to 6.). Shocking really. Incidentally, how bad is the Everton legal team... Pardon me if this has been addressed ad nauseam, I didn't make it through the 54 pages of this thread.]

As soon as we found out it was the same muppets on the panel as the first time we should have refused to attend and be party to the ridiculous charade as it was guaranteed we would not receive a fair hearing.
 
Id also appeal against the panel as being compromised in their decision process having (on appeal) unfairly judged on our first review that gave us a 10 point deduction
It might be better to argue that the panel relied too heavily on the PSR ruling to inform the Burnley judgement.

And possibly that their original judgement being too vague allowed for too broad a punishment.
 
I wasn't reading The Esks article. I let AI summarise it for me:

Paul Quinn's article argues that Everton have strong grounds to overturn or significantly reduce the £26 million compensation award made to Burnley following Everton's PSR breach. He identifies seven main appeal arguments.


1. Causation was based on a "coin-flip" probability​


Quinn's central criticism is that the Commission treated a 51.47% probability that Everton would have been relegated as sufficient proof that Burnley would have survived. He argues that a margin of just a few percentage points is effectively statistical uncertainty rather than convincing proof of causation. He believes the Commission wrongly converted a marginal probability into a definitive finding of liability.


2. The Commission preferred the wrong expert evidence​


The article argues that the panel wrongly favoured Burnley's Wilson/Daniels model over Everton expert Mr Holt's econometric analysis. Quinn claims the panel misunderstood Holt's methodology and relied on a model that had already produced results acknowledged to be "improbable" when applied to individual Premier League seasons.


3. The breach had not crystallised when Burnley were relegated​


Burnley were relegated on 22 May 2022, while Everton's PSR breach was only determined after the financial accounts were completed on 30 June 2022. Quinn argues that a breach which legally did not yet exist cannot have caused an event that had already happened.


4. The counterfactual was unrealistic​


The Commission assumed Everton could have generated an additional £19.5m in player trading profits and thereby complied with PSR. Quinn argues this was commercially unrealistic because the Commission also accepted Everton would not have sold certain players at undervalued prices. Therefore, the "alternative world" used by the Commission was not one Everton would realistically have chosen.


5. The £26m compensation figure is flawed​


Quinn argues that Burnley actually benefited substantially from player sales after relegation, generating approximately £83.5m in net player trading receipts. He contends that awarding £26m of damages despite those gains is commercially difficult to justify and that Everton's expert had evidence suggesting Burnley may even have been financially better off overall because of relegation.


6. Double punishment​


Everton had already received a six-point deduction for the same PSR breach. Quinn argues that imposing both a sporting sanction and a large compensation award creates a form of double jeopardy and transforms PSR enforcement into inter-club civil litigation, potentially opening the door to numerous future claims from relegated clubs.


7. Burnley's financial position and enforcement concerns​


The article also criticises the refusal to place the award into escrow pending appeal. Quinn notes concerns about Burnley's balance sheet and argues Everton could face difficulties recovering the money if they eventually win the appeal.


Overall conclusion​


Quinn's overall position is that Everton admitted breaching PSR and accepted the points deduction, but that the Commission's compensation award is legally and economically unsound. He argues the appeal board should either overturn the decision entirely or substantially reduce the award because the findings on causation, timing, counterfactuals and damages are fundamentally flawed.


The most significant point for Everton supporters is probably Ground 1: Quinn believes the entire award rests on a finding that Everton were only marginally (51.47%) more likely than Burnley to have been relegated, and that this slender probability should not have been treated as conclusive proof of causation.
Decent assessment that
 
I wasn't reading The Esks article. I let AI summarise it for me:

Paul Quinn's article argues that Everton have strong grounds to overturn or significantly reduce the £26 million compensation award made to Burnley following Everton's PSR breach. He identifies seven main appeal arguments.


1. Causation was based on a "coin-flip" probability​


Quinn's central criticism is that the Commission treated a 51.47% probability that Everton would have been relegated as sufficient proof that Burnley would have survived. He argues that a margin of just a few percentage points is effectively statistical uncertainty rather than convincing proof of causation. He believes the Commission wrongly converted a marginal probability into a definitive finding of liability.


2. The Commission preferred the wrong expert evidence​


The article argues that the panel wrongly favoured Burnley's Wilson/Daniels model over Everton expert Mr Holt's econometric analysis. Quinn claims the panel misunderstood Holt's methodology and relied on a model that had already produced results acknowledged to be "improbable" when applied to individual Premier League seasons.


3. The breach had not crystallised when Burnley were relegated​


Burnley were relegated on 22 May 2022, while Everton's PSR breach was only determined after the financial accounts were completed on 30 June 2022. Quinn argues that a breach which legally did not yet exist cannot have caused an event that had already happened.


4. The counterfactual was unrealistic​


The Commission assumed Everton could have generated an additional £19.5m in player trading profits and thereby complied with PSR. Quinn argues this was commercially unrealistic because the Commission also accepted Everton would not have sold certain players at undervalued prices. Therefore, the "alternative world" used by the Commission was not one Everton would realistically have chosen.


5. The £26m compensation figure is flawed​


Quinn argues that Burnley actually benefited substantially from player sales after relegation, generating approximately £83.5m in net player trading receipts. He contends that awarding £26m of damages despite those gains is commercially difficult to justify and that Everton's expert had evidence suggesting Burnley may even have been financially better off overall because of relegation.


6. Double punishment​


Everton had already received a six-point deduction for the same PSR breach. Quinn argues that imposing both a sporting sanction and a large compensation award creates a form of double jeopardy and transforms PSR enforcement into inter-club civil litigation, potentially opening the door to numerous future claims from relegated clubs.


7. Burnley's financial position and enforcement concerns​


The article also criticises the refusal to place the award into escrow pending appeal. Quinn notes concerns about Burnley's balance sheet and argues Everton could face difficulties recovering the money if they eventually win the appeal.


Overall conclusion​


Quinn's overall position is that Everton admitted breaching PSR and accepted the points deduction, but that the Commission's compensation award is legally and economically unsound. He argues the appeal board should either overturn the decision entirely or substantially reduce the award because the findings on causation, timing, counterfactuals and damages are fundamentally flawed.


The most significant point for Everton supporters is probably Ground 1: Quinn believes the entire award rests on a finding that Everton were only marginally (51.47%) more likely than Burnley to have been relegated, and that this slender probability should not have been treated as conclusive proof of causation.
I got my AI to summarise that summary:

Paul Quinn argues Everton should overturn the £26m Burnley award. The core flaw: the Commission based liability on a 51.47% probability — a coin-flip — that Everton would have been relegated.

Additional weaknesses include the breach not existing when Burnley were relegated, an unrealistic counterfactual, and Burnley generating ~£83.5m in post-relegation player sales. Double jeopardy also applies given Everton’s prior points deduction.



I’m pretty sure we can keep summarising until we have only one word.


In fact… I did.

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I wasn't reading The Esks article. I let AI summarise it for me:

Paul Quinn's article argues that Everton have strong grounds to overturn or significantly reduce the £26 million compensation award made to Burnley following Everton's PSR breach. He identifies seven main appeal arguments.


1. Causation was based on a "coin-flip" probability​


Quinn's central criticism is that the Commission treated a 51.47% probability that Everton would have been relegated as sufficient proof that Burnley would have survived. He argues that a margin of just a few percentage points is effectively statistical uncertainty rather than convincing proof of causation. He believes the Commission wrongly converted a marginal probability into a definitive finding of liability.


2. The Commission preferred the wrong expert evidence​


The article argues that the panel wrongly favoured Burnley's Wilson/Daniels model over Everton expert Mr Holt's econometric analysis. Quinn claims the panel misunderstood Holt's methodology and relied on a model that had already produced results acknowledged to be "improbable" when applied to individual Premier League seasons.


3. The breach had not crystallised when Burnley were relegated​


Burnley were relegated on 22 May 2022, while Everton's PSR breach was only determined after the financial accounts were completed on 30 June 2022. Quinn argues that a breach which legally did not yet exist cannot have caused an event that had already happened.


4. The counterfactual was unrealistic​


The Commission assumed Everton could have generated an additional £19.5m in player trading profits and thereby complied with PSR. Quinn argues this was commercially unrealistic because the Commission also accepted Everton would not have sold certain players at undervalued prices. Therefore, the "alternative world" used by the Commission was not one Everton would realistically have chosen.


5. The £26m compensation figure is flawed​


Quinn argues that Burnley actually benefited substantially from player sales after relegation, generating approximately £83.5m in net player trading receipts. He contends that awarding £26m of damages despite those gains is commercially difficult to justify and that Everton's expert had evidence suggesting Burnley may even have been financially better off overall because of relegation.


6. Double punishment​


Everton had already received a six-point deduction for the same PSR breach. Quinn argues that imposing both a sporting sanction and a large compensation award creates a form of double jeopardy and transforms PSR enforcement into inter-club civil litigation, potentially opening the door to numerous future claims from relegated clubs.


7. Burnley's financial position and enforcement concerns​


The article also criticises the refusal to place the award into escrow pending appeal. Quinn notes concerns about Burnley's balance sheet and argues Everton could face difficulties recovering the money if they eventually win the appeal.


Overall conclusion​


Quinn's overall position is that Everton admitted breaching PSR and accepted the points deduction, but that the Commission's compensation award is legally and economically unsound. He argues the appeal board should either overturn the decision entirely or substantially reduce the award because the findings on causation, timing, counterfactuals and damages are fundamentally flawed.


The most significant point for Everton supporters is probably Ground 1: Quinn believes the entire award rests on a finding that Everton were only marginally (51.47%) more likely than Burnley to have been relegated, and that this slender probability should not have been treated as conclusive proof of causation.

Said before, I find the whole idea of statistical modelling to "prove" an outcome for compensation, absurd.

Your model is already flawed because its bias.

You may as well have brought in Paul the Octopus to tell you the results.
 

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