Burnley Case

[Seathestars]

This is ridiculous. Burnley are arguing that on the balance of probabilities, if the points deduction had been applied in the season that the breach occurred then they would have stayed up. But the points deduction could never have been applied until the following season at the earliest as the financial year for that season does not end until 6 weeks after the season is over

Therefore it is an impossibility for the points deduction to have been applied that season and keep Burnley up, so Burnley's argument is that because something that was impossible did not happen to save Burnley from relegation, Everton have to pay 40 mill in compensation and some idiot on a panel agreed with that

On the balance of probabilities, If you arrest a murderer before he goes murdering people then all of the people he murders would not have got killed. Does that mean that the families of the victims sue the police for not arresting the murderer whilst he was still an innocent person?

This in bold is part of Evertons argument, that as the rules stand, or stood then, we were in fact compliant with FFP rules on the day Burnley were relegated.

From the club
"This ruling sets a dangerous and unworkable precedent for English football, given it is constructed on a principle that a club can be in breach of financial rules at any point in a financial year.

So basically you can be over FFP in spending terms, win 99% of your games, get all your points in the bag, then just before the financial year ends you can sell players to get you within FFP rules. Evertons argument is that you have still had a sporting advantage all season.

 

[Moomin]

Hardly think accounting mistakes for ground funding should be classed as cheating. Don’t forget we had the least net spend over the last 5 years.
Cheating jibe is pathetic

Any costs for infrastructure don't get counted on the PSR.

The reason we got done by PSR is that we had the second highest wages to turnover ratio in the whole of Europe for a good few years.

Moshiri gambled on getting into the Champions League and massively failed. The wage bill we had was ridiculous.

We only have ourselves to blame for all this unfortunately.

 

[MikeH72]

Any costs for infrastructure don't get counted on the PSR.

The reason we got done by PSR is that we had the second highest wages to turnover ratio in the whole of Europe for a good few years.

Moshiri gambled on getting into the Champions League and massively failed. The wage bill we had was ridiculous.

We only have ourselves to blame for all this unfortunately.

Don’t you mean we only have Moshiri to blame? Why are we still getting punished for his mismanagement of the club 18 months after he’s buggered off? Chelsea could get away with whatever they wanted by pulling “it wasn’t us lad” out of their arse.

 

[Jarvick]

Per The Guardian:
The verdict by a Premier League independent disciplinary commission – comprising the same three-man panel that deducted Everton 10 points over the same £19.5m breach in November 2023 – has widespread ramifications for the competition and increases the likelihood of more clubs taking legal action against members who have broken league rules. [Emphasis added.]

[How can that possibly be allowed to happen? The SAME 3 "independent" commissioners? In the interest of fairness and impartiality one would think the panel would need to consist of three different persons than those that arrived at a penalty that was later found to be an egregious decision initially (the 10 pts. reduced to 6.). Shocking really. Incidentally, how bad is the Everton legal team... Pardon me if this has been addressed ad nauseam, I didn't make it through the 54 pages of this thread.]

 

[Rodebaard]

Also, after VAR review, penalty to Liverpool

 

[Blueclouds]

Per The Guardian:
The verdict by a Premier League independent disciplinary commission – comprising the same three-man panel that deducted Everton 10 points over the same £19.5m breach in November 2023 – has widespread ramifications for the competition and increases the likelihood of more clubs taking legal action against members who have broken league rules. [Emphasis added.]

[How can that possibly be allowed to happen? The SAME 3 "independent" commissioners? In the interest of fairness and impartiality one would think the panel would need to consist of three different persons than those that arrived at a penalty that was later found to be an egregious decision initially (the 10 pts. reduced to 6.). Shocking really. Incidentally, how bad is the Everton legal team... Pardon me if this has been addressed ad nauseam, I didn't make it through the 54 pages of this thread.]

Unless they want this to happen, the three men might gain from clubs suing in the future like city. We are just a pawn in a bigger game.

 

[Brisan123]

Haven’t read all of this but would I be right in assuming that all our scouting and transfer experts are now legal and financial experts as well
I thought it was only Dave that was this multi skilled
Lads no one knows the full story , no one knows what are defence will be , we don’t know how it’s all going to pan out so no point trying getting angry and frustrated

 

[Moomin]

Don’t you mean we only have Moshiri to blame? Why are we still getting punished for his mismanagement of the club 18 months after he’s buggered off? Chelsea could get away with whatever they wanted by pulling “it wasn’t us lad” out of their arse.

Burnley was always going to get paid off us, I'm surprised we got to know the official verdict.

Thought they would have got paid like Leeds and a short statement saying agreement has been agreed and we move on.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Haven’t read all of this but would I be right in assuming that all our scouting and transfer experts are now legal and financial experts as well
I thought it was only Dave that was this multi skilled
Lads no one knows the full story , no one knows what are defence will be , we don’t know how it’s all going to pan out so no point trying getting angry and frustrated

Yes, but you can also go and read the judgement and look at the process to consider those things with an informed lens.

 

[RD2910]

Haven’t read all of this but would I be right in assuming that all our scouting and transfer experts are now legal and financial experts as well
I thought it was only Dave that was this multi skilled
Lads no one knows the full story , no one knows what are defence will be , we don’t know how it’s all going to pan out so no point trying getting angry and frustrated

Yes, anyone seeking to read the information to understand it and discuss with others should shut up, they are all actually idiots.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Burnley was always going to get paid off us, I'm surprised we got to know the official verdict.

Thought they would have got paid like Leeds and a short statement saying agreement has been agreed and we move on.

Apparently Burnley did try to settle.

 

[anton66]

Wonder what Hill Dickinson have to say in this matter? Time for them to step up and earn the massive, global advertising they get.

 

[Marius57]

Wonder what Hill Dickinson have to say in this matter? Time for them to step up and earn the massive, global advertising they get.

What massive global advertising is that? They have their name on a stadium for a team that isn’t in Europe and in terms of success has been irrelevant for 30 years.

Also, they don’t have to earn it. They have given us more money than anyone else offered and made it one of the biggest stadium deals in the world.

 

[evertony]

No.. They've argued we had a sporting advantage that contributed to their relegation.

So its a totally double whammy....in effect it's a no-lose situation for them. Get relegated (as is normal with Burnley by the way) and take the parachute payment. Get relegated because somebody else didn't and get a £35M gift.
Rumours are if the claim is overturned and they get nothing from Everton they are in real financial difficulty.....the mutant collective need to get round to Bank of Dave sharpish.

 

[Dublin blue 75]

Can we counter sue them for Micheal Keane?