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[bring the ghost on]

Is that normally the case though?

Usually when one of our citizens commits a crime abroad they answer for their actions in the country the crime was committed, not here in the UK.

I accept Syria is a broken country at the moment and unable to process all of the Isis people, and neither should we expect them too. The atrocities they have committed over the last 5 years certainly class as war crimes or crimes against humanity, and as such the United Nations should take control of the matter.

My understanding is that they can be prosecuted either abroad or here, but we would never normally strip them of their nationality. This action has been taken based on the fact that she has dual-nationality, however her Bangladeshi nationality has been passed down by her parents - she has never been there, she doesn't have a Bangladeshi passport and for all intents and purposes, she isn't really a Bangladeshi national.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Worryingly we may see increasing use of removal of citizenship with the key component being whether it makes the politician look good or not, this is dog whislting politics at its very worst and dangerous.
So in theory a person could be a risk to a society just by getting a speeding ticket etc. So I think anyone with any form of dual nationality should be very concerned with what the Conservative government is trying to do.

It's normally applied to serious crimes or repeated offenders so maybe not as far reaching as this, but it's not a power we should want, especially given the ruling today in the Court of Appeal that effectively allows a political policy to pass through parliament without parliamentary decision or judicial review.

The UK government slowly eroding people's freedoms bit by bit.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Is that normally the case though?

Usually when one of our citizens commits a crime abroad they answer for their actions in the country the crime was committed, not here in the UK.

I accept Syria is a broken country at the moment and unable to process all of the Isis people, and neither should we expect them too. The atrocities they have committed over the last 5 years certainly class as war crimes or crimes against humanity, and as such the United Nations should take control of the matter.

Yes, but the crime would be subject to UK Law. She is effectively committing a UK crime overseas would be the contention so it falls under the UK extraterritorial jurisdiction.

The UN will not be concerned in the slightest trying to prosecute Shamima Begum. They will however be preparing trials for crimes against humanity and war crimes for ISIS leaders.

 

[Ihaters]

Genuinely couldn’t care less if she returns. There’s far bigger dangers in this country.

Dunno, we are talking about one of hundreds of people who left the country to join a terrorist organisation that we are at war with returning to our country.
I would consider this a big risk as if you let one in, you have no grounds to prevent others. They turned traitor on the UK and now want back in because it didn't go how they wanted.

What dangers are you thinking of that's worse than several hundred enemies of democracy and more specifically our country being allowed residence back on our shores?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Dunno, we are talking about one of hundreds of people who left the country to join a terrorist organisation that we are at war with returning to our country.
I would consider this a big risk as if you let one in, you have no grounds to prevent others. They turned traitor on the UK and now want back in because it didn't go how they wanted.

What dangers are you thinking of that's worse than several hundred enemies of democracy and more specifically our country being allowed residence back on our shores?

You do. The 2000 Terrorism Act is clear on the areas you can prosecute against. There's also plenty of case law to rely upon. The question here is, what crime she may have committed? Now you may argue the law here doesn't give enough armor to the UK, but I am yet to see a basis for which law she could be prosecuted under.

An 'enemy of democracy' has absolutely no relevance in Law, it is a political statement.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

Heaven forfend anyone defending those outside of the mainstream.

Considering anyone who doesn’t share his views is ‘Britain first ‘ then I’d say yeah it is . You can’t have it both ways

 

[FC sexy xxx]

I’m actually not, I’m a lefty yes but not far at all, generally quite centric, but lolling sat the heads falling off (no pun) at this whole situation. Huuuge over reaction from a load of angry men.
Child makes bad decision shocker “don’t let her back home”

15 year old whose bad choice wasn’t your standard 25 year olds bad choice . She joined a terrorist organisation and is hardly showing remorse for it . It’s only that it’s gone tits up that she is even asking to come back .

 

[evilwebby]

She left her country to join an extremist organisation that seeks to destroy all the values that we hold dear. She’s nothing less than a traitor to Britain

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

She left her country to join an extremist organisation that seeks to destroy all the values that we hold dear. She’s nothing less than a traitor to Britain

But our traitor and one we the UK need deal with, not run cowardly away and try to pass her onto another country.

 

[tommytowne]

Heaven forfend anyone defending those outside of the mainstream.

Corbyn is a past master of being the one who knows best no matter what others say.

 

[dead_soft]

Considering anyone who doesn’t share his views is ‘Britain first ‘ then I’d say yeah it is . You can’t have it both ways

That’s not true. And even if it was ‘I don’t like what he does so I’ll do it’ seems an odd logic

 

[BlueToff]

I’m actually not, I’m a lefty yes but not far at all, generally quite centric, but lolling sat the heads falling off (no pun) at this whole situation. Huuuge over reaction from a load of angry men.
Child makes bad decision shocker “don’t let her back home”

I don't think you're 'far left' at all mate. I'd say I lean left more than right. Most people aren't far left or far right.

Far right - fascists. Far left - communists. There's really, relatively speaking, very few on either side.

But this isn't a case of 'child makes bad decision'. I made bad decisions when I was younger, I still do. She joined IS. There's a difference.

 

[BlueToff]

Not legally she didn't. Whether you like it or not.

I know.

It should be the case though.

 

[BlueToff]

General term for the Britain first types on facecock. The ones who are absolutely loving this situation and use it to garner more hateful supporters
Have a look mate

That's not far right.

 

[BlueToff]

Far right has become almost a throwaway insult that the left will use on anyone who disagrees with them.

It's the same from both sides tbh.

Both far left and far right are terms that really, really shouldn't be used unless the people involved are genuinely fascists or communists. It's watering it down.