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[SpongeBob brown shoes]

I think it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic that people are so willing to label large swathes of the population racist in order to defend people who almost certainly hold those views.

It’s a stock answer mate.

If you don’t agree with their views you are therefore racist.

The irony of which is lost on them, is that they espouse hatred of all forms of bigotry, when they are in fact bigots lol

Couldn't agree more with these sentiments, you can just imagine the conflicting argument in some peoples minds, that in a desperate way to not be labelled racist or anti Muslim they convince themselves that joining ISIS isn't that bad really, completely over looking the fact that this girl will hold beliefs that are so far against what we as a society believe

She is the racist
She is the homophobe
She is the anti Semite/Christian/Muslim or whatever other religion you wish to follow

But this country is just filled with nasty hateful gammons because she's 19

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Given that you mention a rise in anti-Semitism and Corbyn suggesting she be allowed to return - you should be entirely in favour of his position.

All Jews have a right to Israeli citizenship, which would make them dual nationals, they would be far more adversely affected, if for example, someone declared certain pro Israeli groups 'prescribed' and a Home Secretary were able to arbitrarily remove them of British Citizenship.

Maybe that's the hope in the Britain First vain.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It’s a stock answer mate.

If you don’t agree with their views you are therefore racist.

The irony of which is lost on them, is that they espouse hatred of all forms of bigotry, when they are in fact bigots lol

And if others disagree with your views you hate your country or are a snowflake.... I really can’t see why people are so angry about this.

 

[Harryflashman]

The rights of no individual trump the rights of society as a collective to feel safe.

I keep repeating myself but I’d happily see her imprisoned and if it’s lawful banned from returning butbuour comment marks a very slippery slope for me . No individuals rights trump a society’s right to feel safe is easy to say when you’re not that individual or from a part of society effected by it . Whether it’s laws on going through emails or stuff like this I just believe we can’t allow perfectly legitimate concerns about our safety to give the government free reign to disregard civil liberties or the rule of law .

having a civilised society with an accountable legal system is one of the things the likes of Daesh hate about us and to just throw away one of our cornerstones to stop someone barely out of their teens who may or may not have committed criminal offences returning home seems like using a hammer to crack a nut .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Jeremy Corbyn supporting her RIGHT to come back to the UK.

In 2018, a 34% rise in anti-semetic incidents in UK .

Brilliant, just what we need, another anti-semite walking the streets.

But that makes Rees Mogg one as well, blimey we country that is far right and anti-Semitic.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/question-time-jacob-rees-mogg-surprises-audience-and-says-we-should-have-sympathy-for-shamima-begum/

 

[Tubey]

Corbyn is entirely entitled to his view.

I think everyone would be happy to have her back if she was going to get a life sentence in prison with no possibility of parole.

Unfortunately, she won't. The law hasn't caught up with what this person has done. Therefore, my view is Corbyn is both right and wrong - he's procedurally right, but I think he's practically wrong.

Either way, I think criticism of him for his stance on this is unwarranted.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Corbyn is entirely entitled to his view.

I think everyone would be happy to have her back if she was going to get a life sentence in prison with no possibility of parole.

Unfortunately, she won't. The law hasn't caught up with what this person has done. Therefore, my view is Corbyn is both right and wrong - he's procedurally right, but I think he's practically wrong.

Either way, I think criticism of him for his stance on this is unwarranted.

Worryingly we may see increasing use of removal of citizenship with the key component being whether it makes the politician look good or not, this is dog whislting politics at its very worst and dangerous.
So in theory a person could be a risk to a society just by getting a speeding ticket etc. So I think anyone with any form of dual nationality should be very concerned with what the Conservative government is trying to do.

 

[tommytowne]

Lol, like she is doing us all a favour.

Someone needs to get her away from the cameras, she really isn`t doing herself any favours at all.

It's the sheer brass neck of the individual although I am warming to the conclusion that she is in fact thick as pig muck and reading from a script given to her by interviewers.
And with regards Corbyn, he has reverted to type when he was the backbencher championing the cause of whatever and whoever was angering the mainstream.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

@bol-uk who would you say is 'far right', btw?

Because 'far right' means Nazis. Not some divs in vests.

He is clearly far left going off his comments in this thread Which is as bad as anyone who is far right

 

[bol-uk]

He is clearly far left going off his comments in this thread Which is as bad as anyone who is far right

I’m actually not, I’m a lefty yes but not far at all, generally quite centric, but lolling sat the heads falling off (no pun) at this whole situation. Huuuge over reaction from a load of angry men.
Child makes bad decision shocker “don’t let her back home”

 

[bring the ghost on]

And with regards Corbyn, he has reverted to type when he was the backbencher championing the cause of whatever and whoever was angering the mainstream.

I think Corbyn's argument was basically - We should let her back, not because she's done nothing wrong or out of sympathy, but because she is a British national and therefore our problem/responsibility.

I can't disagree with his stance, really. If you are a British national and you commit crimes or become radicalised, it's on us to punish or rehabilitate as appropriate. I don't think its morally right for us to simply cast that person off as someone else's problem. Lets take responsibility - if rehabilitation is possible, then we should try to do that.

There is also the human compassion point which is just completely and utterly lost in this thread. She was under the age of consent when she married an IS member and left for Syria. A few years later, she's lost a few children and no doubt suffered a lot of abuse. She has to answer to her crimes, but given her circumstances I don't think she should be considered a complete lost cause.

 

[dead_soft]

It’s a stock answer mate.

If you don’t agree with their views you are therefore racist.

The irony of which is lost on them, is that they espouse hatred of all forms of bigotry, when they are in fact bigots lol

No, it’s suggesting there is nuance in how people react to cases that aren’t purely logical.

 

[dead_soft]

He is clearly far left going off his comments in this thread Which is as bad as anyone who is far right

It definitely isn’t.

 

[dead_soft]

It's the sheer brass neck of the individual although I am warming to the conclusion that she is in fact thick as pig muck and reading from a script given to her by interviewers.
And with regards Corbyn, he has reverted to type when he was the backbencher championing the cause of whatever and whoever was angering the mainstream.

Heaven forfend anyone defending those outside of the mainstream.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think Corbyn's argument was basically - We should let her back, not because she's done nothing wrong or out of sympathy, but because she is a British national and therefore our problem/responsibility.

I can't disagree with his stance, really. If you are a British national and you commit crimes or become radicalised, it's on us to punish or rehabilitate as appropriate. I don't think its morally right for us to simply cast that person off as someone else's problem. Lets take responsibility - if rehabilitation is possible, then we should try to do that.

There is also the human compassion point which is just completely and utterly lost in this thread. She was under the age of consent when she married an IS member and left for Syria. A few years later, she's lost a few children and no doubt suffered a lot of abuse. She will be undereducated, confused, etc, but given her circumstances I don't think she should be considered a complete lost cause.

Is that normally the case though?

Usually when one of our citizens commits a crime abroad they answer for their actions in the country the crime was committed, not here in the UK.

I accept Syria is a broken country at the moment and unable to process all of the Isis people, and neither should we expect them too. The atrocities they have committed over the last 5 years certainly class as war crimes or crimes against humanity, and as such the United Nations should take control of the matter.