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[bol-uk]

She was 15 and fully capable of plotting a route to Syria by herself.

The moment she joined ISIS she was complicit in all that they do, regardless of whether she pulled a trigger or detonated a bomb.

Ps - Please feel free to invite her around for tea to meet your family, should she ever land our shores again

It is her shores mate, this is the point.

 

[trueblue84]

Mate there are MANY people here who feel the same. She will be jailed, assessed and monitored. It is not great but she is a brit, I am not sure what bit of that no one can get.

She is indeed a Brit. She should be detained immediately, though and face the sentence that will be handed down, regardless of whether she has a new born baby.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I hope she’s allowed back and is given a full open top bus parade round the country. At tax payers expense as well by the way. Just to give every gammon a heart attack and purge the country of their bitterness. Oh and get the red arrows on board also

 

[paulh116]

Unworthy Victims: Western Wars Have Killed Four Million Muslims Since 1990
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php...s-have-killed-four-million-muslims-since-1990

Yes

Joining a terrorist organisation (especially as a child) does not mean you lose your citizenship. She is a brit bro, she will be back sooner or later. Get over it.

Makes me laugh, this country has waged war on Muslim countries for about 20 years (not to mention the 6 million we killed during the crusades) but one woman sides against the west, possibly having been radicalised and as a child, and she has to pay for the rest of her life.....fu** off!

If joining a terrorist organisation does not revoke your citizenship in your eyes then that the law clearly needs to alter
Just think about the atrocities that IS has carried out. ...too many to list here.....she is knowingly part of the organisation that carried them out

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

But all she ACTUALLY has done is leave this country as a CHILD to join ISIS. Not actually hurt anyone. She is still a brit.

I don't think we can say with certainty what she has actually done at present. However, I agree she was a child when groomed and a child when she left. And this should be a consideration.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yes

If joining a terrorist organisation does not revoke your citizenship in your eyes then that the law clearly needs to alter
Just think about the atrocities that IS has carried out. ...too many to list here.....she is knowingly part of the organisation that carried them out

Part of the difficulty is she joined them as a minor. And, you can't revoke the rights of people you don't like just because you don't like them.

Otherwise the government could quite feasibly deny citizenship rights to anyone they deem criminal.

 

[bol-uk]

Yes

If joining a terrorist organisation does not revoke your citizenship in your eyes then that the law clearly needs to alter
Just think about the atrocities that IS has carried out. ...too many to list here.....she is knowingly part of the organisation that carried them out

The only thing that can be done is to send them to prison.You CANNOT revoke their citizenship.

I genuinely wonder how many people would be so up for leaving her there if she was Sally from York. A Brit is a Brit despite their life choices.

 

[Ihaters]

I don't think we can say with certainty what she has actually done at present. However, I agree she was a child when groomed and a child when she left. And this should be a consideration.

She moved country and voluntarily joined a group that our country was at with, making herself part of the group that our country is still at war with, sticking with them as an adult too, so in what way is she not an enemy of the country?
She made the decision as a 15 year old, but stuck with the decision as an adult, only deciding against when things went wrong and the war is not going in her favour that she should probably come home now. I think that should be taken into consideration just as much.

ps Islam states that a child becomes an adult when they hit puberty or reach 15, so I would argue that by the laws that she went off to obey she was likely not a child at all. Our arbitrary number of 18 years old = adult is only something we made up for our country, she turned her back on that to become an adult amidst a load of scummy zealot psychopaths.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The only thing that can be done is to send them to prison.You CANNOT revoke their citizenship.

I genuinely wonder how many people would be so up for leaving her there if she was Sally from York. A Brit is a Brit despite their life choices.

Sadly I agree with your sentiment.

 

[Ihaters]

The only thing that can be done is to send them to prison.You CANNOT revoke their citizenship.

I genuinely wonder how many people would be so up for leaving her there if she was Sally from York. A Brit is a Brit despite their life choices.

If Sally joined a group that we were at open war with for hacking up families, raping anyone they want to and burning entire villages, then after a few years when the war was going badly wanted to come home, I would suggest Sally from York should go and have a strong sexual relationship with herself and be not allowed back into the country. But sadly as mentioned, the law is the law.

 

[bol-uk]

Sadly I agree with your sentiment.

The amount of "Britain first " types who have latched onto this on my facebook is untrue. As I said, if she were white and from "good stock" they'd not have said anything.

 

[Ihaters]

Section 40 of the British Nationality Act
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You cannot deprive a person of citizenship if you make them stateless. Added to this the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness means you cannot deprive a person of their nationality if that would make the person stateless. There seems to be a heavy reliance on her Bangladeshi citizenship. If she doesn't hold another citizenship but would be eligible for one, then the Home Secretary can only deprive her of her British citizenship if she was naturalised as British, because the effect of the deprivation would make her stateless. But it's hard to see, based on the above how she could be a naturalised British Citizen as she left when she was 15.

Bangladeshi law, and I don't claim to have any knowledge whatsoever about this, seems to follow biologically, so she may automatically have Bangladeshi citizenship despite not identifying as such.

The Pham case probably serves as a good guide for the Home Office Decision

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Full case here:

Pham v The Secretary of State for the Home Department [2018] EWCA Civ 2064 (20 September 2018)

www.bailii.org

What am I missing regarding 4 A) (b) here? Doesn't that say he can keep her out because she joined a terrorist organization?

 

[bol-uk]

If Sally joined a group that we were at open war with for hacking up families, raping anyone they want to and burning entire villages, then after a few years when the war was going badly wanted to come home, I would suggest Sally from York should go and have a strong sexual relationship with herself and be not allowed back into the country. But sadly as mentioned, the law is the law.

Yeh, she is guilty by association, nothing more imo. It's weird.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The amount of "Britain first " types who have latched onto this on my facebook is untrue. As I said, if she were white and from "good stock" they'd not have said anything.

Such terms as Groomed Stockholm Syndrome and Post Stress Traumatic Disorder would have been more widely used.

 

[bol-uk]

Such terms as Groomed Stockholm Syndrome and Post Stress Traumatic Disorder would have been more widely used.

Amazing, literally just had a Groomed Stockholm Syndrome post by a leftie on my FB