Current Affairs Bethnal Green Three

[FC sexy xxx]

Genuinely expecting him to bring up Venables and Thompson in a mo to highlight a point about young wrong uns and their reabilitation.

I was thinking the same mate. Madness .

 

[COYBL25]

The only thing that can be done is to send them to prison.You CANNOT revoke their citizenship.

I genuinely wonder how many people would be so up for leaving her there if she was Sally from York. A Brit is a Brit despite their life choices.

You do know that many young white Westerners joined these medieval murdrous scum don’t you ???

Colour and ethnicity has got Jack to do with it.

As per, the trump card gets played - anyone who doesn’t agree must therefore be a racist.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

Oh wow, tow kids who murdered someone or a young woman who joined an organisation.

An organisation Who murdered thousands

 

[COYBL25]

Oh wow, tow kids who murdered someone or a young woman who joined an organisation.

An organisation responsible for mass murder, torture, rape, subjugation of women, take your pick.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

I hear you but, I just think it is all a bit Britain first, I am playing devils advocate to an extent but generally mean what I have said.

She was a kid, she is British, she will be home. I feel the hate is heightened by her colour/religion.

The hate is heightened that she is a terrorist . Does race come into it with that ginger crank from tower hamlets who used to preach hate on the streets of London ?

 

[Jebus_lives]

I wonder how many people would be up for bringing her back, if it was helga of polish extraction who had gone to help a far right organisation chop off the heads etc of a few ethnic types.

Love the inference here that ISIS only attack white people.

 

[Ihaters]

I think this is the likely grounds that the Home Office are relying on, but, it is only applicable in instances where the person doesn't become stateless. They need to satisfy conditions that she is either a Bangladeshi citizen or has reasonable grounds for becoming one.

Interestingly, the move to deny her UK citizenship has come before the Bangladeshi government declared they wouldn't take her (although she may have an automatic claim by her mother) so it may be the British jumped first knowing she could claim dual nationality, then the Bangladeshi government has effectively made her stateless. But see the Pham case, which is similar, in so much as the court upheld the deprivation of citizenship as legal, even while Vietnam didn't acknowledge citizenship. In this instance the UK could argue that it doesn't matter if they deprive her of citizenship as she has automatic Bangladeshi citizenship (even though though don't aconite acknowledge it).

There is also another case Zambrano, that may also be persuasive in this instance as it concerns carers of UK citizens, which she may be categorised as through the child. It's a very complex area of law and one which is relatively new in respect of increased Home Secretary powers. It will definitely be contested in UK courts.

And aside from whatever feelings you might have on either side of the debate here (and I have very little sympathy for her), I'm not sure this is a terribly good law to be enforcing or setting a precedent for.

So 4 has more precedence than 4 a>b? I'm still confused lol.

Ignoring section 2 and focusing on Section 4
It says that in this situation they can't make an order because she would be stateless...
Next line however says
But that does not prevent the secretary of state from making an order under section 2 if and then goes on to 4b.

It's like a broken loop.

You can do 2 unless it breaches 4, however if it does then you have a subset of 4 that uses 2, but you can't do 2 because of 4
This is why I never did law lol

 

[Billysgingham.]

You do know that many young white Westerners joined these medieval murdrous scum don’t you ???

Colour and ethnicity has got Jack to do with it.

As per, the trump card gets played - anyone who doesn’t agree must therefore be a racist.

Exactly you beat me to it, I was wondering how long it would take him to throw that in.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Genuinely expecting him to bring up Venables and Thompson in a mo to highlight a point about young wrong uns and their reabilitation.

There is a clear legal difference between deprival of citizenship and other criminal activities.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yeh, which makes it even weirder Javid saying what he said. It is as if he has missed/ignored the actual law.

Think it's called can kicking, Javid gets to look tough and takes the Tories further to the right.

 

[bol-uk]

Exactly you beat me to it, I was wondering how long it would take him to throw that in.

The reason I’m “throwing it in” is cos almost the only people crying about this on my Facebook are Britain first types. Either actual racists or those with posts that make me give them the side eye.

 

[Jebus_lives]

So 4 has more precedence than 4 a>b? I'm still confused lol.

Ignoring section 2 and focusing on Section 4
It says that in this situation they can't make an order because she would be stateless...
Next line however says
But that does not prevent the secretary of state from making an order under section 2 if and then goes on to 4b.

It's like a broken loop.

You can do 2 unless it breaches 4, however if it does then you have a subset of 4 that uses 2, but you can't do 2 because of 4
This is why I never did law lol

It's about the wording and interpretation of the statue. One side will try to rely on one but, the other on the part that benefits them. I suspect it will fall on the intention of that law when made.

 

[Billysgingham.]

The reason I’m “throwing it in” is cos almost the only people crying about this on my Facebook are Britain first types. Either actual racists or those with posts that make me give them the side eye.

So you are blaming someone else for something you said, should you have not explained it first?

 

[bol-uk]

Think it's called can kicking, Javid gets to look tough and takes the Tories further to the right.

Yeh, like the Bangladesh comment someone posted about earlier. Knows it is not true but adds bravado to his political being.

 

[Toast]

Think it's called can kicking, Javid gets to look tough and takes the Tories further to the right.

Or, it's called doing what most normal people in the country expect you to do as a minister who is supposed to try and keep us safe ?