Current Affairs Aussie referendum

[WA Toffee]

A very small % of the population who already get a disproportionately high amount of assistance were set to be given a blank cheque.

Unsurprisingly it was rejected by a sizeable majority of Aussies.

Most countries around the world would have voted the same.

Nope, that is not even close to what the referendum was about

But you get to think you sound edgy, so onya mate

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

The Yes campaign did a poor job of selling the change to most Aussies. Also, given that they, like many others around the world right now, are going through a cost of living crisis the timing of this wasn't great. Many voters have more important things to worry about.

The No campaign kept it simple with the slogan of "If you don't know, vote No". It worked.

Also, implying that someone who is planning to vote No is uneducated, or a racist, probably wasn't the best way to go about persuading them to change their minds.

Finally, I know quite a few Aussies who are neither uneducated nor racists. They have told me many reasons why the people in question aren't entirely blameless where their current situation is concerned. Maybe you should do a bit of research and find out what goes on in some remote Australian communities? It might help you understand why the majority of Aussies aren't that sympathetic to their plight.

Pease, name five reasons why indigenous Australians aren't blameless for their current situation. I live in rural Australia and can confirm that indigenous people have been treated appallingly. Have you heard of the Stolen Generation? Or Myall Creek? Or Pinjarra? Or the Eumeralla 'wars'?

Do you know how many indigenous Australians have been killed in police custody since 1991? 516 according to the University of Melbourne, with four of them being in Youth Detention at the time of their deaths; https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/arti...orded Indigenous,four were in youth detention.

35% of indigenous Australians live below the poverty line. In 2023, in one of the richest nations on the planet; https://www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/2-08-income

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

You stink of Brexit.

I was thinking more like piss and biscuits.

 

[WA Toffee]

The Yes campaign did a poor job of selling the change to most Aussies.

True. They allowed the scare campaign to dwindle their support from almost 70% down to 40%.

Also, given that they, like many others around the world right now, are going through a cost of living crisis the timing of this wasn't great. Many voters have more important things to worry about.

Also true

The No campaign kept it simple with the slogan of "If you don't know, vote No". It worked.

True. And what a blight it is that it worked. Imagine political leaders telling people to not bother looking for facts, just stay dumb and stay scared. Disgraceful.

Also, implying that someone who is planning to vote No is uneducated, or a racist, probably wasn't the best way to go about persuading them to change their minds.

At the start of the campaign, support for Yes was at almost 70%. Yes was never campaigning to change peoples minds, but No were deliberately misleading and scaring people into voting no, using a lot of covert racist tropes to achieve it

Finally, I know quite a few Aussies who are neither uneducated nor racists. They have told me many reasons why the people in question aren't entirely blameless where their current situation is concerned.

What are some of these reasons your educated and non-racist friends told you about?

Maybe you should do a bit of research and find out what goes on in some remote Australian communities?

What research have you done in this area? Apart from a couple of educated non-racist friends telling you their opinion?

It might help you understand why the majority of Aussies aren't that sympathetic to their plight.

You are completely wrong here, the overwhelming majority of Australians ARE sympathetic to their plight. As I have pointed out, the initial polls showed 70% in favour of yes. Over the next few months the misdirection and fear campaigns from the No side confused the issues and made it seem like it was about something that it wasn't actually about.

 

[Mrbluenose]

Pease, name five reasons why indigenous Australians aren't blameless for their current situation. I live in rural Australia and can confirm that indigenous people have been treated appallingly. Have you heard of the Stolen Generation? Or Myall Creek? Or Pinjarra? Or the Eumeralla 'wars'?

Do you know how many indigenous Australians have been killed in police custody since 1991? 516 according to the University of Melbourne, with four of them being in Youth Detention at the time of their deaths; https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/quantifying-an-australian-crisis-black-deaths-in-custody#:~:text=Real action needed on Aboriginal deaths in custody&text=Of the 516 recorded Indigenous,four were in youth detention.

35% of indigenous Australians live below the poverty line. In 2023, in one of the richest nations on the planet; https://www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/2-08-income

So they are all great people who do no wrong? OK....

 

[Mrbluenose]

True. They allowed the scare campaign to dwindle their support from almost 70% down to 40%.

Also true

True. And what a blight it is that it worked. Imagine political leaders telling people to not bother looking for facts, just stay dumb and stay scared. Disgraceful.

At the start of the campaign, support for Yes was at almost 70%. Yes was never campaigning to change peoples minds, but No were deliberately misleading and scaring people into voting no, using a lot of covert racist tropes to achieve it

What are some of these reasons your educated and non-racist friends told you about?

What research have you done in this area? Apart from a couple of educated non-racist friends telling you their opinion?

You are completely wrong here, the overwhelming majority of Australians ARE sympathetic to their plight. As I have pointed out, the initial polls showed 70% in favour of yes. Over the next few months the misdirection and fear campaigns from the No side confused the issues and made it seem like it was about something that it wasn't actually about.

So loads of caring Aussies got tricked into voting NO? OK....

 

[Mrbluenose]

I was thinking more like piss and biscuits.

Very childish. Losing side name calls people that disagree with their point of view.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

So they are all great people who do no wrong? OK....

All people of all races do wrong. To not do anything about it because they basically deserve it in your words is beyond wrong.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

So they are all great people who do no wrong? OK....

That's a lot of words for 'no, I can't'.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Very childish. Losing side name calls people that disagree with their point of view.

Not people, just a single person.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

You know it's a weak argument when you have to resort to putting words in other people's mouths rather than refute the information given.

 

[trueblue84]

Finally, I know quite a few Aussies who are neither uneducated nor racists.

Now I know you're telling porkies.

 

[WA Toffee]

So they are all great people who do no wrong? OK....

That's not what he said though, is it?

Are you not able to discuss it without trying to take the discussion to polar extremes?

 

[WA Toffee]

So loads of caring Aussies got tricked into voting NO? OK....

Yep, that is pretty much what happened.

Have your educated non-racist Australian friends explained why they think the yes vote went from 70% to less than 40%

 

[Walken]

The revolving door of ignorant bigoted right wingers continues. At least with Mr White you know he is a single entity.