Current Affairs Aussie referendum

[Walken]

As you have just demonstrated, the No campaign were campaigning on imagined legislation rather than constitutional change, which the referendum was actually about.

The referendum itself was about adding 3 sentences to the constitution, which basically acknowledged aboriginal people as the first people here and gives them a permanent voice to government. Not any power to make or reject any legislation, just forces the government to say "What do you reckon?"

However, the No campaign starting banging on about legislation, both federal and state (and even making claims about how Aboriginal people will now decide who gets parking tickets ). They then started banging on about demanding to know who the members will be, who picks them etc - that is all legislation to be decided by the govt of the day, but a lot of people were too stupid or ignorant to understand the difference.

Basically, the No campaign was just a fear campaign, championed by the leader of the opposition, summed up by their favourite catchphrase - "If you don't know, vote no". Not try and find out. Not here are some facts. Just - stay dumb and be scared

Racism and lies appear to win elections these days

 

[Walken]

It's true that most of the Aboriginal boards and committees have failed to bring positive change for their people. I think it's also true that most of those boards and committees were put together by politicians with no real input from Aboriginal people. Is it any wonder they are not effective?

A yes vote would have made the government actually ask the Aboriginal people what kind of board or committee would be fit for purpose for them. Maybe they actually have a better idea of what they need, rather than politicians telling them?

Community based vs community led, I find this is a debate in a host are what are often well meaning but sometimes misguided campaigns

 

[WA Toffee]

I went with 'Unsure' on your last bit, I was also unsure due to yes vote lack of detail added to that the total Irreversibly of fixing vague legislation...open to who knows what sort of future interpretation - By the High Court not Parliament - forever in the constitution.

I get your point, and a lot of people had the same concerns.

Where I differ is that "vague legislation" was not part of the referendum. The referendum was about the constitution, not any laws which may follow. As I said before, the government of the day will still choose the legislation, and nothing in the proposed Voice would have changed that.

 

[degsy]

I get your point, and a lot of people had the same concerns.

Where I differ is that "vague legislation" was not part of the referendum. The referendum was about the constitution, not any laws which may follow.

As I said before, the government of the day will still choose the legislation, and nothing in the proposed Voice would have changed that.

That's as maybe; but 'Yes' Chose not to say what that legislation was...because they didn't know? Who knows.

A fair few of Albenese's own Labour supporters binned it off it was such a dogs breakfast - they Hammered it.
If The Voice was a party it just lost the 'election' 29 seats to 122 seats

Anyway I'm now Voiced out.

Final Answer

 

[WA Toffee]

That's as maybe; but 'Yes' Chose not to say what that legislation was...because they didn't know? Who knows.

A fair few of Albenese's own Labour supporters binned it off it was such a dogs breakfast - they Hammered it.
If The Voice was a party it just lost the 'election' 29 seats to 122 seats

Anyway I'm now Voiced out.

Final Answer

Probably because the legislation wasn't relevant at this stage, I'll say it again - the referendum was about the constitution, not legislation.

The yes campaign should have made that clearer though, especially after it became apparent that most Australians don't understand the difference between legislation and the constitution.

 

[degsy]

Probably because the legislation wasn't relevant at this stage,

The devil is  Always in the detail

I'll say it again - the referendum was about the constitution, not legislation.

If the vote was  just the constitutionional recognition it would've pissed in

The yes campaign should have made that clearer though, especially after it became apparent that most Australians don't understand the difference between legislation and the constitution.

Including it seems Albo as well, for it was he and he alone, his 'Capts Pick' that linked the two, this was his election night victory legacy statement, that was the hill he chose to fight - and die on

Now I am done

 

[WA Toffee]

The devil is  Always in the detail

And if the Liberals don't like the detail in the legislation, they could just simply change it when they get elected.

If the vote was  just the constitutionional recognition it would've pissed in

I said the constitution, not constitutional recognition. But A LOT of people voted against it because why should only group be mentioned (that is the division they kept banging on about), so I'm not sure it still would have passed

Including it seems Albo as well, for it was he and he alone, his 'Capts Pick' that linked the two, this was his election night victory legacy statement, that was the hill he chose to fight - and die on

I agree, he ran a very poor campaign and allowed the fear campaign to lead the conversation.

Now I am done

All good, it has been a long ugly campaign, I'm glad it's over now. At least we have 2 years of peace now before Dutton starts his election campaign

 

[degsy]

All good, it has been a long ugly campaign, I'm glad it's over now. At least we have 2 years of peace now before Dutton starts his election campaign

the way aussie politics (Rudd gillard rudd - abbott turnbull scomo) goes I doubt one or even both will be there by then.

Slim Jim Chalmers(?) Vs A.N. Other

 

[DavidH]

As my semi joking poll in the ale house implies.

They're clearly a nation of bigoted racists.

I said this a whole back and someone kicked off about it. Australia is full of racist scum. Other places are too of course.

 

[Walken]

I said this a whole back and someone kicked off about it. Australia is full of racist scum. Other places are too of course.

I'm shocked that such an even handed observation offended folk

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

It's funny you say that. Since moving back home in Wirral after living in London for 7 years I was shocked at how casually racist and ignorant people are here. I would rather set myself on fire than move back to London, but it definitely has some major advantages.

Whereabouts on the Wirral mate? My parents moved to Neston when they retired. I love it there, although it has to be said my experience is similar to yours, the only places I've heard racism expressed openly is in pubs in Neston and where I live now in Australia.

 

[Sinski]

People got played by the Murdoch media (just like with Brexit in the UK). It's utterly depressing. The No campaign was fuelled by misinformation and outright lies. Similar to the idiot(s) on here who think(s) the EU want to form their own army, the amount of nonsense I've heard people spout about the Voice was ridiculous.

In my electorate (two hours drive east of Melbourne) it was almost 75% voting no. In the last general election over 10% of the same electorate voted for One Nation (a cross between UKIP and the BNP). This is an overwhelmingly working class/blue collar region, with most income derived from brown coal power plants or the local paper mill.

And Peter Dutton, the Mr Potato Headed nobjockey, can eff right off. Me and the missus are talking about moving back to the city to get away from all the shoeless bogans around here.

Hey Bishop. I was born and grew up where you live now. I used to work at that paper mill. I still have family live down there. What town do you live in? Can private message if you do not want to say here. Being from that region I am not surprised the way they voted. It will and always will be that way unfortunately.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Hey Bishop. I was born and grew up where you live now. I used to work at that paper mill. I still have family live down there. What town do you live in? Can private message if you do not want to say here. Being from that region I am not surprised the way they voted. It will and always will be that way unfortunately.

I’m in the ‘Gon mate, currently having a Guinness at Star Bar are you from nearby?

 

[Walken]

So that's the wirral and Australia confirmed as racist hot spots. I'd like to add the entire North East of england if I may.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Should never been a referendum should have been whatever's party policy as not many majorities will willing surrender their born advantage in life, non first Australians are no different...