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Current Affairs Anti-fascists (antifa), and a nationwide resistance of hate.
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I am firmly Team Evelyn Beatrice Hall™. God only knows what she would think of modern day Antifa. The views of the extreme far right are ridiculous and should be ridiculed, but attacking people based solely on the fact that they have opposing views to you (no matter how abhorrent) will achieve nothing and leave you looking just as pathetic as those you oppose.
dholliday
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Antifa aren't active against Islamists (but are against the Far Right & Israel).
Just as 4th-wave feminists aren't actively against the sexism rife within Islam in Western societies (but are against much milder sexism from Western blokes).
Just as the West aren't actively against Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen (but are against Russia's legal support of Syria defending itself against rebel attacks).
Being that selective means there's no consistent ideology behind any of these movements who claim to be fighting for this & against that. Hence why they get criticised so much.
The hypocrisy of choosing easy battles isn't a good look.
I will respond to your earlier post, but unwell at the moment and I think it deserves a bit of effort.
Anfi-fascists are opposed to all forms of fascism, whether it's Islamofascism or Judeofacisim, but again with the false equivalence. The president of the only global superpower has links to far-right terrorist groups. The anti-fascist left have always been unsupportive of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel on the basis of their crypto-fascist policies.
roydo
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Dunno. I would guess that most folk are not exactly in favour of radical anything. Unless I am missing something,
Fascist bad. Lunatic Islamist bad. Lunatic far left bad.
All hate filled virgins.
dholliday
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Thanks, really. Get well soon, mate, and no rush. Sometimes days go by before one's arsed to reply to any given post.
It's not false equivalence, it's just personal opinion based on own empirical evidence. What we often tend to forget when we debate is from what perspective we're coming from. You're from Wales, many here are English & American. I'm from Germany but with 15 years experience of living in England.
My Antifa view you're replying to is based on my Germany experiences & knowledge. See here for an article on the conflict within Antifa groups as to how to deal with radical Islam (I guess Chrome can translate webpages). In short, Antifa groups tend to not have Islamic fascism on their list of to-do as there's too much of a grey area in what constitutes Islamic facism and what is plain Islamic belief. Due to the Far-Right's obvious contempt for Islam generally there's no grey area to go into, they're being islamaphobic: i.e. comes under fascism, thus enabling the anti-fascist.
But when is Islam being fascist? It's too tricky a question for many in Antifa to consider.
Redstarrob
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So your saying lunatic islamist bad and lunatic left bad, thats you a facist in antifas eyes
sheedy3
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All your opinions are valid in my eyes..whether right or wrong...but im stating fact here..if a far right movement even dared bare their faces on Dublins streets they would be kicked to kingdom come...too much of a history here of oppression..sure...you have uneducated local bells that give out about minorities like in any city but thats to be expected...Ireland doesnt seem to have the raised level of far right politics that the uk,europe&Usa suffer from...If there is a threat to the status quo of a nation that is not popular and they are a serious threat to a peaceful society then you have no option but to give the bells a slap....some nations sat on their hands..other nations suffered but eventually rose...take the human power back...end of rant...up the toffees
The orange order (a bunch of bells) marched down O'Connell street about 10 years ago and a bunch of scrotes in celtic jerseys went in to town and started throwing bits of paving slabs around. I don't remember anyone saying fair play to the skangers.
America is not sitting on it's hands, it just has different processes than Ireland or the UK. It's a far bigger place. The rise of the far right has also led to the womens march/the climate march/BLM marches/Immigrant rights marches. Millions of people have mobilized peacefully across the country and in November we'll see if that translates in to actual change. In the meantime a tiny handful of kids with their faces covered thinking they are in a video game cause more harm than good, just like those scrotes in the celtic jerseys who are just looking for a scrap. If you're all right with the kids in the celtic jerseys, you've got to be alright with the kids in the rangers jerseys building bonfires in the north.
Steve0
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WEll they had heard of him. He was extremely high profile, it's WHY he got punched ffs!
bignev23
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Always surprises me how easily so called 'nice people' advocate violence against others who have a different opinion or outlook on life to them. If your behaviour mirrors those who your fighting against then you really are no better than them IMO, for that reason I'd like to see both sides wipe each other of the face of this earth, I think it'd be a much nicer place without them.
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dholliday
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He wasn't extremely high-profile.
He was punched in January 2017. Look at his activites since then, his profile has risen massively, proven by how busy he's been since being punched:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#Activities
Here's a screenshot of this Twitter from 2016, he had 22k followers. Now he has 77k. That's a 350% increase since the punch.
Steve0
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He's higher profile now, that's all that means.
I'll repeat, it's the reason why he was punched in the first place.
dholliday
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My view is punching him raised his profile.
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