I know everyone has rightfully latched on the asinine "happily dissatisfied" comment but I think the part of his statement that mentioned extinguishing relegation concerns around Christmas was equally daft and doesn't scream ambition, we shouldn't be looking over backs , we need to try forging a new prosperous beginning for the club, there was no reason for relegation to be in the conversation, that feels like something loser Moyes would obsess over and maybe Angus picked up being in his company?
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Bryan+
Player Valuation: £40m
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Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
It’s the always reverting back to a worst case scenario act Thats tiresome. At this rate I am surprised no one has used the cup final performance against Chelsea as an excuse for us not to win it ever again.
I saw a clip earlier of those Toffee TV lads talking about “pointless FC” we never do anything, how boring it is and it’s too cushy for people at the club, said it for years something is majorly off about the place and I don’t trust these fan groups/forums and supporters clubs either.
NilSatisOptimum
Player Valuation: £70m
Probably sat and agonised for this sound bite!
Considering that last two seasons we were nowhere near relegation in the end (even with the points deduction) it sounds stupid. My worry is if we keep Moyes we’ll bring in old over the hill players, and have another season wasting our young players to the point they’re desperate to leave, while still achieving nothing
It's more likely that the reason Moyes is in the job in the first place is because Kinnear and those above him are happy with avoiding relegation being the limit of our ambition. I'm not kicking up a massive fuss because it is what it is, but there's been precious little sign of ambition from the new owners since they came in, all the indications so far are that they're content for us to just exist as a PL club.
Yep, it was an appalling thing to say "we got to christmas safe and weren't looking over our shoulders"
At no point this season were we ever looking over our shoulders, and it absolutely reeks of the small time, glass ceiling running of this club that weve had to endure for 30+ years.
He'll regret that paragraph for as long as he's here because as far as I'm concerned, that kind of talk from him is why we'll never achieve anything of note.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
Questions have to be asked as to why he chose to say such things and where it really comes from. I get the impression more fans are getting fed up of it as well, it’s the same narratives over and over, pointing to possible worst outcomes as excuses to not progressing, it’s tiresome and disingenuous .
What I am fed up of as well is i see people lash out at others for being negative or moaning or whatever and yet those are the ones who constantly keep behaving in the way I just described , which ironically makes them more negative than anyone
Its the saying of same old **** just a different day.
A manager who tries to be positive then in the next breath "but the main thing is we reach 40 points", a CEO chatting the usual buzz words that you can get away with if things are going well. Problem is we've had so many chat wham that we're all sick to the back teeth of it.
In the meantime TFG nowhere to be seen, fans getting absolutely ripped off paying 10% more to watch in the main some dreadful, turgid, negative football with at least 3 players a game playing out of position and at least 3 players on the bench never seeing the pitch regardless of performance/scoreline
The quotes don't mean much isolation. It's actions that matter a lot more than what is said by those running the club.
The problem is that comments like these are symptomatic of the huge gap between what the supporters see as success, and what those within the club see as success. The deliberate lowering of expectations doesn't do us any favours on the pitch, so you have to wonder why they keep doing it.
Culture at any organisation is set from the top and works it's way down. I haven't seen anything yet from the new owners and leadership to suggest they are as impatient to improve as other clubs.
The problem is that comments like these are symptomatic of the huge gap between what the supporters see as success, and what those within the club see as success. The deliberate lowering of expectations doesn't do us any favours on the pitch, so you have to wonder why they keep doing it.
Culture at any organisation is set from the top and works it's way down. I haven't seen anything yet from the new owners and leadership to suggest they are as impatient to improve as other clubs.
Marcus Kendall
Player Valuation: £35m
I just think he's in awe of Moyes. Moyes comes across like an alpha male type who will dominate anyone who is submissive by nature so we have the manager dominating the narrative of a 'successful' season and Kinnear being sycophantic in agreeing with that assessment. We need a more ambitious CEO who controls the narrative and who isn't scared to ask Moyes some tough questions about his treatment of certain players and how his style of play needs to be better and more modern in outlook.
I've said this type of thing before with the way some fans talk about the team's performance. Martinez, Ancelotti, and this version of Moyes have all seen a load of people on here proclaiming repeatedly that they've raised expectations because they've done so well, but then these people always totally balk at the idea that they should actually achieve anything.
Martinez took over a team that regularly finished in the top 6/7, dropped into the bottom half but had apparently 'raised expectations' and given us our Everton back. Ancelotti took over a team that had finished 8th the year before and was 15th after a bad start, finished 12th and 10th and got treated like a God as if he'd performed a miracle against all the odds. Moyes now takes a team that's finished 12th and 13th (on merit) the last 2 years, has it 12th again with the possibility of going lower, and loads of people spend the whole year talking about what a massive difference he's made and how even though we look likely to finish in the same sort of position with the same sort of points - having spent a hell of a lot more money - it's actually been miles better than the ones that came before.
Bluepablo
Player Valuation: £8m
With the apparent focus on analytics within the club to identify players it would surprise if TFG management just accept verbal sound bites on ‘progress’ achieved this season.
I can’t see too many (actually I can’t see any) numbers on the playing side that could be presented to support this supposed progress apart from the fact we got to 40 points more quickly this season than last.
Hopefully TFG see through all the noise & look at the actual facts & act accordingly.
P45
A disaster of a statement.
Better off saying nothing.
Calamity.
A disaster of a statement.
Better off saying nothing.
Calamity.
