2020/21 Andre Gomes

[Lanolin]

The issue on the risk reward is that he plays in dangerous areas. He's not a 10 who plays in final third, often it's the middle of the pitch.

Sorry that's what I was saying? I'm saying it's low risk/high reward for the opposition. There's no risk in asking two players to pressure him as soon as he gets the ball because he isn't going to do anything that takes those players out of the game. He is, however, quite likely to lose the ball to them.

 

[Blue Roo]

He is not, and never has been, a defensive midfielder.

He's generally been played as one of a two or three man midfield which means he absolutely needs to defend.
And that doesn't mean just strolling around appearing to press high, like he got away with under Marco.

He's not a holding midfielder and has never played in that role.
And he's not a traditional10, he'd get eaten alive if he did; Digne would do a better job.
He's a centre mid whose needs to do much better at defending.

Sig's stepped up under Carlo. Hopefully he can to but going by his anticipation, body position and reading both one on one and in general he doesn't seem to have it. Defending is a skill, not jus effort.

 

[Blue Roo]

What, you mean when it was absolutely, incontrovertibly vital that we retained possession at 2-0 up ? Rather than try to progress the ball up to an isolated DCL ?

What are you on about.
Your saying he's not a defensive midfielder.
But not try and and progress the ball up the field.
Keep possession? what by passing it back into the area where the Leicester attackers are.

He basically passed it for someone else to take responsibility.
When he did take it upon himself to do something it was average at best.
He made a couple of very poor passes/decisions when Rich and DCL could have countered and relieved pressure.
And coughed the ball up leading to the ball in the back of the net - the very thing your saying he was there to prevent.
Wish him well, but these lads deserve better.

 

[davids]

He's generally been played as one of a two or three man midfield which means he absolutely needs to defend.
And that doesn't mean just strolling around appearing to press high, like he got away with under Marco.

He's not a holding midfielder and has never played in that role.
And he's not a traditional10, he'd get eaten alive if he did; Digne would do a better job.
He's a centre mid whose needs to do much better at defending.

Sig's stepped up under Carlo. Hopefully he can to but going by his anticipation, body position and reading both one on one and in general he doesn't seem to have it. Defending is a skill, not jus effort.

Sigurdsson has stepped up the last few games,which is criminal.

 

[Carlito]

If he can't contribute now, during an injury crisis, the club may as well start looking for a buyer.

 

[Goat]

If he can't contribute now, during an injury crisis, the club may as well start looking for a buyer.

He contributed last night.

He kept the ball and kept possession.

People think hes gonna be smashing in 90 yarders or running around like Allan.

Thats not his game.

Im not saying hes in good form, but I don't think hes as bad as most make out.

 

[catcherintherye]

Sorry that's what I was saying? I'm saying it's low risk/high reward for the opposition. There's no risk in asking two players to pressure him as soon as he gets the ball because he isn't going to do anything that takes those players out of the game. He is, however, quite likely to lose the ball to them.

I'm just agreeing with you mate. Just adding a further mitigating problem for him really.

 

[UptheTofees]

I hope he doesn't start Saturday. I don't think he is a bad player

But I feel that We need that 4231 and without Allan, play Holgate at the DM position with Doucs next to him

 

[Carlito]

He contributed last night.

He kept the ball and kept possession.

People think hes gonna be smashing in 90 yarders or running around like Allan.

Thats not his game.

Im not saying hes in good form, but I don't think hes as bad as most make out.

I'd still have him as the third midfielder for now, sitting and taking the ball from the back four.

However, if he's not going to get many minutes, I'd like to see the club avoid another situation where a player sits depreciating in value for years on end.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He contributed last night.

He kept the ball and kept possession.

People think hes gonna be smashing in 90 yarders or running around like Allan.

Thats not his game.

Im not saying hes in good form, but I don't think hes as bad as most make out.

It's two things for me. One is that he's not contributing basically anything outside of the middle third. He's a bad defender and he also doesn't create, pass into dangerous areas or score. The other is that he's overly conservative when we try to transition. Anything but a blindingly obvious forward pass or complete chasm to run into and he goes back and resets. When he's doing that a lot as he has recently he becomes more harmful than useful.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I'd still have him as the third midfielder for now, sitting and taking the ball from the back four.

However, if he's not going to get many minutes, I'd like to see the club avoid another situation where a player sits depreciating in value for years on end.

Unfortunately he really could be in that hard to move bracket. He's on a decent wage, he isn't easy to fit in a team and he definitely isn't going up to a team better than ours.

 

[Gerbs]

He is not, and never has been, a defensive midfielder.

He doesn’t have to be a defensive midfielder or have the defensive tenacity of Allan.
But he doesn’t have to be the worst defensive player ever to step on the pitch. Which he looked to be against Leicester

 

[D410]

His issue at the moment is a lack of conviction/playing with fear.

He didn't really do anything wrong yesterday and played well when he came on v Chelsea. Hopefully, if he does start on Saturday, he's built up some confidence.

People are being so bloody thick if they think he's anywhere near over that injury. It was always going to take at least six months since he came back, and keep in mind that we missed a big chunk of last season and so he went from just getting back into the team to then having another 3 months of no actual football.

He looks like he's lost that yard of pace he had off the mark and that's probably all to do with power and propulsion through the ankle. It was a horrible injury, and it probably still plays on his mind when pushing it that bit more. Anyone who criticises him for that [not him playing bad passes, that's on him] needs to look at themselves.

He is a liability and we are carrying him every match. Why play with 10 players from the off when you can go with Holgate there

 

[Zatara]

He contributed last night.

He kept the ball and kept possession.

People think hes gonna be smashing in 90 yarders or running around like Allan.

Thats not his game.

Im not saying hes in good form, but I don't think hes as bad as most make out.

Since signing on loan how many games would you say he was 8/10 for us?

Its the clear issue which is massive inconsistency since he joined that we all hoped would come in his second season.

It hasnt and therefore hes not going to be here long under Ancelotti

 

[BlueDraka]

Since signing on loan how many games would you say he was 8/10 for us?

Its the clear issue which is massive inconsistency since he joined that we all hoped would come in his second season.

It hasnt and therefore hes not going to be here long under Ancelotti

Can agree with most of this. He had a couple of decent games when he joined us culminating in a top performance against the RS. But I didn't think he had done enough to justify us signing him as he was very inconsistent. Since we signed him he is even more inconsistent. I get about his injury but he wasn't very good before that.
Nice passer of the ball. But didn't provide any forward threat and defensively is bad. He seems so slow which allows other players to pass him with ease. I wouldn't be bothered at all if we sold him