roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
He had won a few games for Watford in his first 3 months and was prepared to leave at the drop of a hat mate. He also, apparently, either asked them, or the other way round, a few players to come with him.
No thanks.
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He had won a few games for Watford in his first 3 months and was prepared to leave at the drop of a hat mate. He also, apparently, either asked them, or the other way round, a few players to come with him.
No thanks.
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
Well you won't get it imo. I can't see the club pandering to a minority fans by publically announcing or hinting at what we all already know.
Jamiednm
Player Valuation: £40m
My point wasn’t about his own career progression - I don’t have an issue with that. The problem is, he let Watford go to the dogs after he missed out on moving to us. Totally unprofessional, and not what you’d expect of a quality manager. If that’s how he reacts to speculation, how would he react to a few bad results at a bigger club than Watford?
We'll have to agree to disagree. The only teams who could poach a manager off us are the top 6 or a European giant. And those clubs only appoint the proven managers. He would have to achieve multiple succesful finishes for us before any of these clubs would even consider him. Any manager we appoint will be the same. We're in the second tier of the footballing hierarchy. We take from Watford. United take from us. He's not going to get his head turned unless he is succesful here.
Efctheblue123
Player Valuation: £500k
Don’t want Silva at all, he blows hot and cold and it would be stupid to sack Sam now for a manager not of a high quality, keep him until the summer and if we can get a quality manager in then great, if not you have a steady pair of hands to make sure we are ok.
He wouldn't tank it here unless he got interest from a top 6 club. And that interest wouldn't be forthcoming unless he did very well for us. The best players and the best managers are fiercely ambitious. Give me Lukaku's goals despite his bad attitude over a lesser player who kisses the badge.
He's not even as good as Moyes. At least Moyes could play decent football when he wanted and had the players to do so. I have seen no evidence that Dyche can.
Dyche's main strength is that he has been at his club for ages. The players (like they did here with Moyes) know he's got the backing of the board almost unconditionally so there's less temptation to down tools if one of them falls out of favor and he won't get that here. His style also won't be accepted here. He has little to no experience managing players on high wages etc.
I'm not saying he doesn't have these tools or can't change but generally managers don't change their style drastically. Looks at Big Sam. The biggest complaint people made against him was we know how a Big Sam team will play and many thought with better players he would adapt. Well he hasn't and we were wrong to think he would.
If only the board had been proactive instead of reactive/panicking, then we would not be in this conundrum/septic tank of foulness in the first place.
If the thinking was that Allardyce is and always was meant to be a stop gap consolidator, to simply keep us out of the drop zone, then surely the board have already got someone "pre-signed", who, at this very moment, is drawing up his game plan for next season.
If, however, they are simply going to "see how it goes" and decide on whoever is willing and available in May, then we are back to the unsettling panicky mess of indecision that will lead to another transfer window mess, and another season of pain.
As for Silva, I think @ToffeeTim has a good point, we are not Watford (although right now it feels like we are), and so for him to have his head turned here, it would have to be because he was getting us into the CL and pushing for trophies etc. Not saying he would be ideal, but look at who is on the touchline, look at our turgid football. Every manager has strengths and weaknesses, but right now, we have a proven dinosaur who may well keep us safe, but will never take us to the heights of fine football and success that we so desire.
If the thinking was that Allardyce is and always was meant to be a stop gap consolidator, to simply keep us out of the drop zone, then surely the board have already got someone "pre-signed", who, at this very moment, is drawing up his game plan for next season.
If, however, they are simply going to "see how it goes" and decide on whoever is willing and available in May, then we are back to the unsettling panicky mess of indecision that will lead to another transfer window mess, and another season of pain.
As for Silva, I think @ToffeeTim has a good point, we are not Watford (although right now it feels like we are), and so for him to have his head turned here, it would have to be because he was getting us into the CL and pushing for trophies etc. Not saying he would be ideal, but look at who is on the touchline, look at our turgid football. Every manager has strengths and weaknesses, but right now, we have a proven dinosaur who may well keep us safe, but will never take us to the heights of fine football and success that we so desire.
trueblue10
Player Valuation: £8m
The way this season is going, we should be looking at a manager with Championship experience , not one with premier league or European experience.
All i see week in week out is a bunch of misfit players going through the motions.
We can't defend and we can't score goals.
My god, we struggle to build any attacking moves. We have no pace, no guile and no passion.
We have QPR, Aston Villa, Newcastle and Leeds written all over us.
The way we are hemorrhaging money this last 18 months is beyond belief.
We are spending Millions on bang average players and putting them on mega money contracts. It didn't work at Leeds and it won't/isn't working here.
We can throw as much money at the team as we can, without the right leadership, on and off the pitch it won't work.
Next 6 fixtures
Leicester Home
Arsenal Away
Palace Home
Watford Away
Burnley Away
Brighton Home
I see 3/4 points maximum.
Whilst we have Sam as our manager i have more belief that we might just survive this season, than i would if we ditched him now for another manager.
If we do survive, the whole club needs to re-evaluate its priorities.
There has to be changes made in the board room, IMO, the new ground debacle needs to be put on the back burner until we have a team that is fit to grace a new stadium, a team which plays the type of football which will attract the extra 15/20 thousand we need to fill it.
We need a progressive manager who will work towards getting us back to where we 33 years ago, because lets face it, we have been in the doldrums since the late 80's.
All i see week in week out is a bunch of misfit players going through the motions.
We can't defend and we can't score goals.
My god, we struggle to build any attacking moves. We have no pace, no guile and no passion.
We have QPR, Aston Villa, Newcastle and Leeds written all over us.
The way we are hemorrhaging money this last 18 months is beyond belief.
We are spending Millions on bang average players and putting them on mega money contracts. It didn't work at Leeds and it won't/isn't working here.
We can throw as much money at the team as we can, without the right leadership, on and off the pitch it won't work.
Next 6 fixtures
Leicester Home
Arsenal Away
Palace Home
Watford Away
Burnley Away
Brighton Home
I see 3/4 points maximum.
Whilst we have Sam as our manager i have more belief that we might just survive this season, than i would if we ditched him now for another manager.
If we do survive, the whole club needs to re-evaluate its priorities.
There has to be changes made in the board room, IMO, the new ground debacle needs to be put on the back burner until we have a team that is fit to grace a new stadium, a team which plays the type of football which will attract the extra 15/20 thousand we need to fill it.
We need a progressive manager who will work towards getting us back to where we 33 years ago, because lets face it, we have been in the doldrums since the late 80's.
So basically we have at this point 40% who want Silva, 55% who want someone else and 5% who want Sam.
If that's the case then we should give Silva a go because at least with him we won't have to pay someone compensation. Every manager we bring in is more likely to not last 2 years. We have to just accept we may have to change managers a few times before we get it right. It's just part of modern football because if a team starts under-performing it is easier and cheaper to change the manager.
Look how many managers other teams burn through. Liverpool even had Roy before Brenda and Roy isn't any better than Big Sam.
If that's the case then we should give Silva a go because at least with him we won't have to pay someone compensation. Every manager we bring in is more likely to not last 2 years. We have to just accept we may have to change managers a few times before we get it right. It's just part of modern football because if a team starts under-performing it is easier and cheaper to change the manager.
Look how many managers other teams burn through. Liverpool even had Roy before Brenda and Roy isn't any better than Big Sam.
If we only get 3 points from those games then I want Allardyce strung up. Should be getting at least 9.
I think the argument he will leave if he's successful is overblown. The only teams a player or manager will leave us for are the elite teams (and maybe Spurs).
To be on their shortlist would require him to do exceptionally well and over a number of years. They generally favor picking from the elite manager merry-go-round or hiring club ex-players. Look how long it took Moyes before he was offered the Utd job.
I don't think he will stay out of loyalty. I just think even if he is successful he will stay because he has no choice at least in the medium term.
If he doesn't win against Palace I think he will go because I can't see us getting more than point against Leicester and Arsenal.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Good point to be fair.
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