Current Affairs Afghanistan

[Ruairi77]

If you use the word "Trump" as an excuse in any way for this withdrawal, you're attempting to excuse how blatantly wrong Biden has got this. It's on him.

that's a really stupid thing to say

 

[peteblue]

life is better for them now but how do you propose that is maintained?
There is no appetite in America for a never ending war in Afghanistan and nor should there be.

This phrase of ‘never ending war’ is pushed around as if the USA was still fighting the Vietcong. They weren’t ….

 

[Tubey]

as I responded to Tubey, I am. I think Biden has made a mess of the withdrawal. I'm more addressing the collective amnesia among some posters when it comes to the roll of Trump in this mess.

And here we go again.

Trump hasn't been in office for 8 months. Biden had every opportunity to do this his own way. He wasn't compelled by anything Trump did to do any of this. It's on him, it just is.

 

[Tubey]

that's a really stupid thing to say

I think the same thing about your post above. I think it's stupid to bang on about "the role of Trump" to mitigate the disastrous actions of a man who has been in office a considerable amount of time now and has, alone, put this withdrawal in place.

 

[Ruairi77]

This phrase of ‘never ending war’ is pushed around as if the USA was still fighting the Vietcong. They weren’t ….

it's being pushed around because the war has gone on for 20 years with no resolution in sight.
For the progressive policies to remain in place, the US troops would have to remain in place.
Unless there's another realistic way

 

[TheBigIguana]

I keep repeatedly seeing variations of "Biden has handled this badly but..." - with the key word being "but".

There shouldn't be a "but" with this.

So nothing that happened pre-August 2021 matters?

 

[Ruairi77]

I think the same thing about your post above. I think it's stupid to bang on about "the role of Trump" to mitigate the disastrous actions of a man who has been in office a considerable amount of time now and has, alone, put this withdrawal in place.

I wasn't mitigating anything.

 

[Tubey]

So nothing that happened pre-August 2021 matters?

Not in regards to the withdrawal no.

The Taliban will take over Afghanistan. The Afghan Western puppet governement will no longer be there. The Afghans will have em out before end of the year. It looks like the Taliban have huge support of the Afghan people.

Here's a randomer on 1 August 2021 in this very thread predicting exactly what would happen. Wasn't a difficult prediction. Biden was the man who oversaw what is happening now, acting on terrible intelligence with no strategy. That's quite literally nothing to do with Trump, just as it's nothing to do with Bush, Obama or anyone else; it's on Biden.

 

[tsubaki]

And here we go again.

Trump hasn't been in office for 8 months. Biden had every opportunity to do this his own way. He wasn't compelled by anything Trump did to do any of this. It's on him, it just is.

Of course he is constrained by what his predecessor did; all Presidents are to one extent or another - Trump was, as was Obama, as was Bush. Biden could have done what so many dishonest people are saying and said the US wasn't going to leave, and he'd have had to live with the implications of that as would his successor.

I rather suspect a lot of people on here (and certainly in the media) slating him now would be slating him for that, too.

 

[Tubey]

Of course he is constrained by what his predecessor did; all Presidents are to one extent or another - Trump was, as was Obama, as was Bush. Biden could have done what so many dishonest people are saying and said the US wasn't going to leave, and he'd have had to live with the implications of that as would his successor.

I rather suspect a lot of people on here (and certainly in the media) slating him now would be slating him for that, too.

There was absolutely nothing compelling Biden to leave by September 2021. Quite literally nothing. Indeed, he'd already moved Trump's May 'deadline'.

He was not constrained on this in the slightest.

 

[peteblue]

it's being pushed around because the war has gone on for 20 years with no resolution in sight.
For the progressive policies to remain in place, the US troops would have to remain in place.
Unless there's another realistic way

Every year that passed by the country was changing. Of course the troops would have had to remain in place, but they were fewer than you had based in that other hotspot Spain…..

 

[Ruairi77]

Every year that passed by the country was changing. Of course the troops would have had to remain in place, but they were fewer than you had based in that other hotspot Spain…..

again, comparing Afghanistan to Spain is similar to the S. Korea shout above.
There is no appetite for any troops in Afghanistan. The war was coming to an end one way or another.
It's a shame that it has to be such a botched withdrawal.
I blame both Biden and Trump for how it has come to an end.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Not in regards to the withdrawal no.



Here's a randomer on 1 August 2021 in this very thread predicting exactly what would happen. Wasn't a difficult prediction. Biden was the man who oversaw what is happening now, acting on terrible intelligence with no strategy. That's quite literally nothing to do with Trump, just as it's nothing to do with Bush, Obama or anyone else; it's on Biden.

I feel like context always matters

 

[Ruairi77]

There was absolutely nothing compelling Biden to leave by September 2021. Quite literally nothing. Indeed, he'd already moved Trump's May 'deadline'.

He was not constrained on this in the slightest.

maybe the intel that since Pompeos deal with the Taliban, the ISKP were re organizing and planning attacks, or the fact that the puppet govt. crumbled.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

You reap what you sow , the story of the West in the Opium fields for 20 years