Don't give me the ethical bollocks when the thing you're defending just got 12 US troops and 60 Afghans killed purely through them being sitting ducks.
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Don't give me the ethical bollocks when the thing you're defending just got 12 US troops and 60 Afghans killed purely through them being sitting ducks.
tsubaki
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Who is defending what now? Aren't you the one who dismissed consequences?
peteblue
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The ‘war’ has not come to an end. The coalition containing the war has, but all that has happened now is that the USA has given the enemy and terrorists an unopposed operating base and millions of people, fully armed them with the latest weaponry, and we will now see the ‘war’ reappear in the cities of the West….
The ‘war’ has not come to an end. The coalition containing the war has, but all that has happened now is that the USA has given the enemy and terrorists an unopposed operating base and millions of people, fully armed them with the latest weaponry, and we will now see the ‘war’ reappear in the cities of the West….
The consequences of a delay from May to August was zero deaths. Nothing.
The consequences of not delaying further is dozens dead.
That's what consequences are. The idea that 'upsetting the Taliban' by putting more troops in to secure a proper withdrawal 'has consequences' anywhere near what we have now is laughable.
tsubaki
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His administration's handling of this situation has been appalling, but I struggle to see how he is exclusively to blame for it because he didn't do something else.
Trump is the lowest bar imaginable. If he'd had got re-elected and did anything like this, he'd have been rightly slaughtered for it too.
Biden was supposed to be better. He's proven, on this issue, that he isn't, and it's grossly unfortunate that political bias is stopping people from acknowledging the obvious here.
peteblue
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It's amazing. It's all variations on "I'm not defending Biden, but Trump though." On an issue he had 100% executive control of and could have pulled the pin on at any moment prior to the fall of the Afghan Army.
He's not finishing Trump's wall is he? He's not 'constrained' by what Trump did, not compelled because Trump happened - he's just saying "nah not happening"; there's quite literally zero reason he couldn't have delayed the withdrawal and change course on the Afghanistan strategy, and for that reason, he's obviously, blatantly 100% at fault for this withdrawal. Trump is a non-factor in it, and it's stunning people can't see it because they have to defend Biden due to tribalism. That's the only reason for it.
tsubaki
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Tubey the Taliban took over the entire country between May and August. Thousands died.
peteblue
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He’s the bleeding President…he’s the Commander in Chief…which bit of responsibility and accountability do you not understand…..
Again, that was Biden's call. They made marginal gains in regions, cautiously, until August when the US went home and the Afghan Army folded like a house of cards. None of that happens if Biden delays and puts in an effective strategy to withdraw, instead of arbitrarily deciding September 2021 is an immovable deadline.
This is all Biden's doing. The ghost of President Trump didn't compel him to be this stupid.
peteblue
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tsubaki
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Well, for a start I don't excuse the current leader of our country constantly so I would guess more than you?
I don't think he is exclusively to blame, but he definitely takes a huge portion of it.
Just hope the west helps as many people as possible.
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