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The Taliban will take over Afghanistan. The Afghan Western puppet governement will no longer be there. The Afghans will have em out before end of the year. It looks like the Taliban have huge support of the Afghan people.
 
I know it's semantics, but didn't the actual war finish about 18 years ago? The rest of the time has been "peacekeeping" and training?

It's not mere semantics.

What we're dealing with is an insurgency, which is what happens when one country knocks over another country and can't put a strong enough government in place to shut that sort of nonsense down. The difference between "insurgency" and "civil war" is just intensity level. Stack up an arbitrarily large number of stiffs, and scholars call it "civil war" rather than "insurgency".

No one can hold Afghanistan. You lot tried, and failed. The Russians tried, and failed. We tried, and failed. The dirt in the eastern part of the country is ideal for an insurgency.

We're going to lose it, same as you all did and same as the Russians did. Afghanistan is simply an intractable problem. It is the immovable object.
 
We screwed ourselves on Afghanistan by invading Iraq.

Think about it this way: if you intervene in a country, the goal is to get out having replaced the existing regime you don't like with one you like better. You Brits were really good at this. It's how you built an empire. Your SOP was to approach the most powerful group that was out of power, and offer them the opportunity to be in power in return for policy concessions. You got in, left some troops behind to make sure that the new regime didn't screw it up, and got out.

This is hard to do in Afghanistan due to the terrain. The most powerful group understands that they just need to go to ground in the mountains, and harass the foreigners until they get tired of the harassment and leave. The most powerful group then just reasserts itself, and life goes on like nothing happened.

You lot tried three times in Afghanistan at the peak of your powers and failed. The Soviets failed. We failed. If you want to win, you need enough elite soldiers to dig the resistance out of the mountains. We pulled ours out of Afghanistan to invade and pacify Iraq. That worked a lot better, because Iraq doesn't have the mountains.

By the time we sent our elite soldiers back to Afghanistan, the Taliban had recovered enough that there was no digging them out of the mountains.

So we failed. It's not that hard to understand if you have some command of history, but the political masters of armies tend to get there by trampling political opposition even in the special cases. As a result, they tend to think that military special cases are just as easily overcome. If they are smarter than that, they don't invade Afghanistan in the first place.

Nuke the mountains.
 
Nuke the mountains.

Radioactive fallout landing on your allies is generally a bad idea. Radioactive fallout landing on your rival for regional dominance is generally a really bad idea.

I think the excuse of the British is that they didn't have nukes.

Full marks for outside-the-box thinking, though. I had never even considered that one. Chemicals might work, if done right. I wonder why the Soviets didn't try that.
 
It's not mere semantics.

What we're dealing with is an insurgency, which is what happens when one country knocks over another country and can't put a strong enough government in place to shut that sort of nonsense down. The difference between "insurgency" and "civil war" is just intensity level. Stack up an arbitrarily large number of stiffs, and scholars call it "civil war" rather than "insurgency".

No one can hold Afghanistan. You lot tried, and failed. The Russians tried, and failed. We tried, and failed. The dirt in the eastern part of the country is ideal for an insurgency.

We're going to lose it, same as you all did and same as the Russians did. Afghanistan is simply an intractable problem. It is the immovable object.
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires
 
That's the number of those who died in Afghanistan. The number of deaths you could associate to serving in Afghanistan will be much higher.
How many with life changing injuries, week after there used to be reports on the news about IEDs (Improvised Explosive Device). And is the preferred method of many these days, because it's cheap, and does not kill. Sends a message back with the "invader" now disabled with an on going economic cost.


 
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