A plea

[summerisle]

And another :

 

[Rita_Poon]

The following didn't get a lot of traction in the media or press. No tub thumping around parliament square or police guards because of bogus jimmy saville claims.

Spoiler: remember, you chose to look

Kemi Badenoch apologises for Suella Braverman mental health claim

But she branded defectors from the Conservative party "drama queens", saying people who did not agree with the direction she was taking the party "need to get out the way".

www.bbc.co.uk

same old tory slime!

 

[Kurt.]

Because not all Tories, or former Tories, are the same. It isn’t a random group of ex-Tories who have moved to Reform. It’s a relatively small number, and they all seem to have quite a lot in common — more traditionally conservative, more right-wing, with strong views on law and order, immigration, and more populist etc.

They clearly feel that the modern Conservative Party no longer aligns with their views, and that Reform and its policies are now a better home for them. And because they are small in number, they no longer have any real influence over Conservative Party policy.

It’s the same for many voters, or former Tory voters. If they no longer believe the modern Conservative Party represents their views, they will support a party that does.

Or they believe reform will win the next election and are securing their political futures

 

[kev]

Or they believe reform will win the next election and are securing their political futures

Nail - Head

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

A bit of a controversial view but for some time I've been of the opinion that you should have a minimum level of intelligence before having the privilege to vote

I'm of this view. Look how the uneducated voted for Brexit, sold an absolute lie, whipped into a frenzy over immigration.

Oh wait, it's still happening.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

No. That's a terrible undemocratic idea. Excluding any voting group is essentially an effort to stop people from voting if you think they won't vote the way you want.

How do you decide you is intelligent enough? By what metric?

Intelligent people can make stupid, bad decisions. And less intelligent people can make good decisions! Everyone has their own life experience that qualifies them to contribute to the voting process.

You need to have a licence to drive a car. You should be able to answer a questionnaire about what you're voting for, not "The bad men are on boats".

 

[Mr. White]

I'm of this view. Look how the uneducated voted for Brexit, sold an absolute lie, whipped into a frenzy over immigration.

Oh wait, it's still happening.

So, the truth is you don't like the way some people vote, so you want to stop them from voting!

As I've already said earlier, and your massive generalisation aside, people being 'uneducated' doesn't necessarily mean they are stupid. And being educated doesn't mean they are always smart!

It wasn't too long ago that only rich, male landowners and business owners had the right to vote. They were 'educated'. Did they vote the right way? For themselves, yes. They voted for their own best interests and that was to the detriment of others. Excluding people from voting is not fair and it's not democratic.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

So, the truth is you don't like the way some people vote, so you want to stop them from voting!

No, as stated the post below, I'm of the belief that people should actually try to learn what they're voting for. You disagree, that's fine. Pretty sure we disagree with a lot of things, but at least you do some research. Others need to as well.

 

[Tommy Chong]

Folks, please don’t vote for FARAGE.

Please. Don’t

If by vote, you mean throw a milkshake at him:

Then I’d say yes, Grouch. It’s the least he deserves.

 

[Mr. White]

No, as stated the post below, I'm of the belief that people should actually try to learn what they're voting for. You disagree, that's fine. Pretty sure we disagree with a lot of things, but at least you do some research. Others need to as well.

Yes, I agree people should make the effort to learn and educate themselves on what they are voting for. But, you can't police that. You can't make voters do it. And how do you even design such a questionaire? What questions are asked? Who checks the answers? Only an authoritarian government would implement such a barrier to voting.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Yes, I agree people should make the effort to learn and educate themselves on what they are voting for. But, you can't police that. You can't make voters do it. And how do you even design such a questionaire? What questions are asked? Who checks the answers? Only an authoritarian government would implement such a barrier to voting.

There's so much information out there, far much more than "It wasn't too long ago that only rich, male landowners and business owners had the right to vote".
Independent agencies exist and you know this. It's not a barrier to voting, it's of national importance that a country decides what direction it takes with educated mandates from the masses, not some farcical brexit ceremonies.

 

[Swartzy]

Freedom to vote
Freedom to not vote

Forcing all to vote, you're taking away a persons freedom..

Saying someone has to have a certain IQ level of understanding, once again you're removing the individuals freedom to vote.

A persons freedom of choice is the most important thing..

The reason behind this thread, if not for social media, i doubt there would be a thread.


Sorry for the post, that's me done on this subject..

Should know better by now..

 

[Ming the Merciful]

If by vote, you mean throw a milkshake at him:

Then I’d say yes, Grouch. It’s the least he deserves.

But everyone seems to be criticising the guy who assaulted the US senator with a liquid?

Deeming people worthy of assault seems a slippery path.

 

[Tommy Chong]

But everyone seems to be criticising the guy who assaulted the US senator with a liquid?

Deeming people worthy of assault seems a slippery path.

That US senator was speaking out against the ICE atrocities, and nobody knew what that liquid was at the time, whereas Farage is a massive tit, and they knew it was a milkshake from the get go…

But I do you see your point, mate.

Where do you draw the line, though?

Throwing your shoes at a moron out of pure frustration?


Or shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ for shts and giggles?
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[Ming the Merciful]

That US senator was speaking out against the ICE atrocities, and nobody knew what that liquid was at the time, whereas Farage is a massive tit, and they knew it was a milkshake from the get go…

But I do you see your point, mate.

Where do you draw the line, though?

Throwing your shoes at a moron out of pure frustration?
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Or shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ for shts and giggles?
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I mean they're both assaults whilst performing the duties of their role.

Both unacceptable, working in nhs I've seen how people can become complacent about assault based on the person or motive.

Only zero tolerance works for me for physical assault. Plus Farage didn't see him buy the milkshake, he didn't know what else might be in there, add in motive for public humiliation and glad the guy got sent down for it.

Hope the syringe guy gets a long sentence.