84% of fans think Everton is a well run club.

[D410]

You're putting forward nothing more than I've conceded already.

Your argument is bankrupt because you're unwilling to accept that there's crossover between many of the questions put forward by each survey and a lack of recognition that both SOS and PL surveys are framing the debate from different perspectives. In short, your pov is crude and lacking in rigour and nuance to take on board what's being argued here.

Unbelivable Dave....people arguing over the technical aspects of the surevy when the fans could have swerved the survey if they felt it was s**t and biased.

2000 Everton fans done it becuase lets face it, they did,nt see a problem giving an answer on key issues that have been knocking around for years.

 

[davek]

Unbelivable Dave....people arguing over the technical aspects of the surevy when the fans could have swerved the survey if they felt it was s**t and biased.

2000 Everton fans done it becuase lets face it, they did,nt see a problem giving an answer on key issues that have been knocking around for years.

The PL survey is the one to go with though mate. They clearly have the interests of Everton supporters uppermost...they wouldn't want to frame questions that make it easy to say fans are happy with their partner clubs. They're the objective gold standard.

*shakes head*

 

[Little Ralphy]

Not for Everton, we still do pretty much what we did 20 years ago. Selling pies and pasties or producing 3 course meals of decent quality and selling them to people via matchday programmes, websites, in ground advertising or even direct sales will have all been going on for a long, long time.

We should have perfected it by now. If we haven't we should look to the director with expertise in that area so we maximise our money. We make a loss every year! Can we afford to have other companies profiting at our expense?

Some companies outsource. If you think it's most I'd be happy to see the evidence and be proven wrong? Usually they do that with an idea of focusing on their core business which they know inside out. What we've outsourced is our core business as the manager looks after all on-field matters.

Kit bag are paying us £3m a year to run our merchandising and they played a role in negotiating our kit deal. One we got shafted on. I'd imagine they're making at least the same back for themsleves. That's more money our retail expert could have helped us make.

The only regular business that goes on at GP without partners is ticket sales.

I think we'll leave it there shall we, I can see this will go nowhere.

 

[Tubey]

To put it very simply, if a survey was ran via GrandOldTeam, questioning 2,000 members, there's not a prayer that the headline figure of 84% would be replicated. And it's fair to say that GrandOldTeam has a high degree of passionate Evertonians with very variable opinions that holistically reflect the fanbase.

Therefore, the results of the survey here have to be considered dubious, so you have to look at how it was conducted and how it was distributed, especially given the high amount of spin evident from the club in the past and the massive level of paranoia evident at the club regarding fan interaction, e.g. the Blue Union.

 

[bluejock]

To put it very simply, if a survey was ran via GrandOldTeam, questioning 2,000 members, there's not a prayer that the headline figure of 84% would be replicated. And it's fair to say that GrandOldTeam has a high degree of passionate Evertonians with very variable opinions that holistically reflect the fanbase.

Therefore, the results of the survey here have to be considered dubious, so you have to look at how it was conducted and how it was distributed, especially given the high amount of spin evident from the club in the past and the massive level of paranoia evident at the club regarding fan interaction, e.g. the Blue Union.

Spot on.

 

[bluejock]

If you put the simple question, "Do you think Everton is a well run football club?" on here with a poll, with a fair and varied opinion group, I reckon you'd have about 24% say yes, 62% say no, and 14% opt for the obligatory cheese on toast option.

 

[Ihaters]

You're putting forward nothing more than I've conceded already.

Your argument is bankrupt because you're unwilling to accept that there's crossover between many of the questions put forward by each survey and a lack of recognition that both SOS and PL surveys are framing the debate from different perspectives. In short, your pov is crude and lacking in rigour and nuance to take on board what's being argued here.

Show me these identical questions you refer to that makes my argument bankrupt?
Your talking nonesense
One is about the fans, one is about the board. One basis its results against other clubs, the other is purely about the board. One is hosted on an award winningly highly frequented website, one is the equivelent of posting an Atheism survey on an American Deep faith healer site, one has a series of questions realating to clubs and the premier league, one is entirely based around the board... In short..
They are very different and your conversation with Artetafan was wrong. They are not similar, they are not replicas, they are not related surveys, SOS didn't do its own version of the PL survey, they did their own about the board survey.
Neither are wrong, neither are worthless, both give false readings which all polls will unless you ask every single fan, neither are conspiracies, but the two are very.... very.... very different surveys with very different questions and answers.
Oh and yes sorry but the bias in the questions is very much evident in the SOS poll.

 

[Ihaters]

Unbelivable Dave....people arguing over the technical aspects of the surevy when the fans could have swerved the survey if they felt it was s**t and biased.

2000 Everton fans done it becuase lets face it, they did,nt see a problem giving an answer on key issues that have been knocking around for years.

No one has said the poll was invalid or the questions were not key issues, or that the results were not correct, I said they were not the same and that the SOS poll was far more biased and that its far more board orientated than the Premier League one.
Its also got a very different agenda, why is this so difficult for people to accept...

Let me try a differnt approach
THE SOS POLL THAT CLAIMS ITS THEIR OWN VERSION OF THE PREMIER LEAGUE POLL... ISN'T.. ITS VERY VERY DIFFERENT AND ASKS ALMOST ENTIRELY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS!!!!!!
That is all.
Doesn't matter what the %'s are that agree with question 1 on the two sites if question 1 is a different question.

 

[steken1]

I think we'll leave it there shall we, I can see this will go nowhere.

Why? It's a debate. Do you disagree that barring football matters a club like ours is reliant on matchday income and merchandise sales. They accounted for almost £20m in the last accounts including ticket sales?

 

[D410]

]No one has said the poll was invalid or the questions were not key issues, or that the results were not correct[/B], QUOTE]

Tar, that the bit that,s most important and glad you agree with the other 2000 everton fans.

 

[Ihaters]

]No one has said the poll was invalid or the questions were not key issues, or that the results were not correct[/B], QUOTE]

Tar, that the bit that,s most important and glad you agree with the other 2000 everton fans.

No one said that either, just because I agree the poll is valid, doesn't mean my answers would be the same as the majority that filled it out does it? In fact because of where its stored, there is a good chance I would have very different views.

Its valid in the same way that the Survey question - is Fellaini top class, or an over rated thug - posted on RAWK would be valid. Nothing wrong with it, fine as a question and I am sure would give the correct view of what Liverpool fans think of Fellaini.

Ask everyone not just RS and you get a different result, ask on an Everton forum and get a different result again. Ask them what they think of the catering instead and you'll get a different result again.

 

[Allezfan]

Tar, that the bit that,s most important and glad you agree with the other 2000 everton fans.

You want to argue that 1,800 everton fans want rid of the board, that's fine.

My argument was never that those 1,800 (90% of the 2,000) didn't either exist or think what they think but that they're not representive of evertonians in general.

Saying 90% of everton fans think this is I think wrong given the selection bias.

It's the 90% that is the misleading statistic and shouldn't be used without adding clarification.

 

[D410]

You want to argue that 1,800 everton fans want rid of the board, that's fine.

My argument was never that those 1,800 (90% of the 2,000) didn't either exist or think what they think but that they're not representive of evertonians in general.

Saying 90% of everton fans think this is I think wrong given the selection bias.

It's the 90% that is the misleading statistic and shouldn't be used without adding clarification.

2000 Everton fans says different - got a poll of your own that argues different? No......ok then you could always give me a thumbs down if you got zilch.

 

[Allezfan]

2000 Everton fans says different - got a poll of your own that argues different? No......ok then you could always give me a thumbs down if you got zilch.

Do we only have 2,000 fans like? Christ.

 

[Ihaters]

Do we only have 2,000 fans like? Christ.

Must be why our annual income is so low