7th -> EL what does it take

Goat · February 23, 2017

The access list above is provisional, as changes will need to be made in the following cases:

If the Champions League title holders or the Europa League title holders have qualified for the Europa League through domestic performance, their berth in the Europa League is vacated (not replaced by another team from the same association), and cup winners of the highest-ranked associations are moved to a later round accordingly.[13]
In some cases where changes to the access list of the Champions League are made, the number of losers of the Champions League third qualifying round which are transferred to the Europa League is increased or decreased from the default number of 15, which means changes to the access list of the Europa League will also need to be made.[14]
Because a maximum of five teams from one association can enter the UEFA Champions League, if both the Champions League title holders and the Europa League title holders are from the same top three ranked association and finish outside the top four of their domestic league, the fourth-placed team of their association will be moved to the Europa League and enter the group stage, which means changes to the access list of the Europa League may also need to be made.[15]

Redistribution rules[edit]
A Europa League place is vacated when a team qualifies for both the Champions League and the Europa League, or qualifies for the Europa League by more than one method. When a place is vacated, it is redistributed within the national association by the following rules (regulations Articles 3.03 and 3.04):

When the domestic cup winners (considered as the "highest-placed" qualifier within the national association with the latest starting round) also qualify for the Champions League, their Europa League place is vacated. As a result, the highest-placed team in the league which have not yet qualified for European competitions qualify for the Europa League, with the Europa League qualifiers which finish above them in the league moved up one "place" (the 2015–16 season will be the first with this particular arrangement where the domestic cup runners-up are no longer guaranteed a place in the Europa League in this scenario).
When the domestic cup winners also qualify for the Europa League through league position, their place through the league position is vacated. As a result, the highest-placed team in the league which have not yet qualified for European competitions qualify for the Europa League, with the Europa League qualifiers which finish above them in the league moved up one "place" if possible.
For associations where a Europa League place is reserved for the League Cup winners, they always qualify for the Europa League as the "lowest-placed" qualifier. If the League Cup winners have already qualified for European competitions through other methods, this reserved Europa League place is taken by the highest-placed team in the league which have not yet qualified for European competitions.

barneygumble · February 23, 2017

rochdaleblue said:
Can you imagine the fume if the RS get 4th and united finish 5th but then win the Europa League, I'm right in suggesting that United would take the RS champions league place and in turn the RS would be in the Europa. Can you imagine us playing the RS in a European competition.

Only way it COULD work, is if both United and Leicester win their european competitions (Alternately, Arsenal or City and finish outside top 4), then top three, and those two would get in. 4th and 5th would end up with Europa (or 6th)

SerenityNigh · February 23, 2017

TheFinnFan said:
●ManU has to win the Cup against Southampton

●FA Cup has to be won by team that gets into the CL

Right?

It takes two to make a thing go right

Wat Tyler · February 23, 2017

MorgsGoat said:
Ok, I just had a quick look and we would, providing we finished 7th and all that jazz, enter at the 3rd qualifying round.

So we would have to play 2 x 2 legged ties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League

Thanks mate

Zaschrona · February 24, 2017

What does it take? MU win the League Cup and then a club from current top 6 win FA Cup.

That means if MU beat Southampton, we have a really big chance to qualify.

Bullet · February 25, 2017

RK clearly wants EL believeing it will help to recruit.
“We hope United will win at the weekend and one of biggest clubs wins the FA Cup, because then it’s possible seventh in the table can play a qualification for the Europa League.
Players like to be part of Europe and they like to be part of the Champions League. That is the best for football players but that will normally be impossible. The first step is to be part of Europe even if that means being part of a difficult European league on a Thursday or qualification really soon in the pre-season. We would like to do it and be part of it because Europe is the next step.
Some players were interested last summer and, OK, maybe some wanted to see how we progressed in Everton for the future [before signing]. You will always fight against big clubs with more reputation and with more Champions League competition, but I think we are in a good way to get what we want in the team for next season.”

Westend Blue · February 25, 2017

MorgsGoat said:
Ok, I just had a quick look and we would, providing we finished 7th and all that jazz, enter at the 3rd qualifying round.

So we would have to play 2 x 2 legged ties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League

First game is in late July I think eary start for the lads for sure

nikom court · February 25, 2017

early start anyway with the world cup the prem starts 7 august.

joey_macmo · February 25, 2017

Westend Blue said:
First game is in late July I think eary start for the lads for sure

It's one tie before the season starts. Wouldn't make a difference at all

anton66 · February 25, 2017

blue61 said:
The easiest way would be to finish 6th.

That's the way it should be. I don't want Man U to win anything.

davek · February 25, 2017

Koeman's comments yesterday pretty much echoed my own thoughts about the Thursday to Sunday routine.

It's a very demanding schedule. Too demanding on a team coming together in it's second season. Moyes managed it once but only after having been here for a good few years.

Bullet · February 26, 2017

Great result for us, Utd winning. Top 6 is v unlikely given points gap and the fact we're going to Spurs, RS, Utd and Arsenal.
Players now know 7th will likely bring Europe as it's more likely than not that a top side will take the FA cup.
If so, it'll be demanding but will also give a chance for the youngsters to shine. Midfielders like Walsh have almost no chance otherwise with the strength we have there at the mo.

davek · February 26, 2017

That brings the poison chalice very much within reach.

And there can be no downgrading of the PL progress we need to make. If we play in the EL next season we play Sunday/Thursday with no bitching about heavy workload.

Jreverton1 · February 26, 2017

davek said:
That brings the poison chalice very much within reach.

And there can be no downgrading of the PL progress we need to make. If we play in the EL next season we play Sunday/Thursday with no bitching about heavy workload.

I can't see how playing Thursday/Sunday should affect a professional football club, when all they do is play football. For me that is just an excuse, we should be looking to win that competition, should we get there.

zirc · February 26, 2017

Now that Utd have won the LC, we could be certain of 7th place getting a Europa league spot as soon as 12 March.

Manchester City must first win their replay against Huddersfield on 1 March, and then if all 3 of Arsenal, Tottenham and City go through to the semifinals, 7th place will be an EL spot. (unless one of the current top 6 falls both down the table and wins the FA Cup)