7th -> EL what does it take

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Until we finish 7th and...

City collapse in the league, finish 8th but win the CL. Plus Utd win the EL and finish 5th.

In which case Eng get 5 CL spots, but only 2 EL spots. 7th place misses out on EL.

It's only straightforward if you ignore the exceptions :p
lol
 

I would like to see us back in Europe but finishing 7th, if it does prove to be a qualifying spot, would see the season start in July with qualifiers.

We would need a huge recruitment drive in May for that.

All I want to see is a settled side by May with Lukaku and Barkley on new contracts and the green light on the docks stadium project. EL is just a bonus on top of those priorities.
 
I would like to see us back in Europe but finishing 7th, if it does prove to be a qualifying spot, would see the season start in July with qualifiers.

We would need a huge recruitment drive in May for that.

All I want to see is a settled side by May with Lukaku and Barkley on new contracts and the green light on the docks stadium project. EL is just a bonus on top of those priorities.
Surely Walsh and rest of the recruitment staff are looking their tasks this scenario in mind already. West Ham screwed their euro qualifiers miserably. We already have relatively thin squad so we would have to be very very busy and ruthless in the summer. Interesting times ahead...how ever this pans out.
 
I would like to see us back in Europe but finishing 7th, if it does prove to be a qualifying spot, would see the season start in July with qualifiers.

We would need a huge recruitment drive in May for that.

All I want to see is a settled side by May with Lukaku and Barkley on new contracts and the green light on the docks stadium project. EL is just a bonus on top of those priorities.

July 27th would be the first qualifying game. The league starts August 12th. With no Euros or World Cup, most of our squad will be back. A couple of competitive games before the season starts may actually help.

It could actually help the start of the season. Issues would kick in later, when new signings should have settled to improve the squad.
 
The fact a cup winner qualifies for EL muddies the stats. I'd like to know how the teams that qualified through the league placing did. Wigan et al who fluke a cup then go down are of course going to do worse then the previous season.


This is the best point made on this thread, IMO.

I think the main reason our clubs don't do well in the EL is that most of the teams entering it from England are ill equipped for European football. They have no business playing in Europe.

In the old days the team finishing second and third went in the UEFA Cup.

Plus the League Cup winner.

The F.A. Cup winners went into their own specialist competition.

Nowadays the teams entering the EL are, by definition, the best of the rest.

They are not the top teams.....or even nearly our top teams.

In the old days, the UEFA Cup was arguably harder to win than the European Cup as it had more strength in depth.

But now even the highest place English entry through league position will have only finished fifth in the league.

And the FA Cup winners, which could be Wigan and was nearly Palace last season are going into the same competition as teams which finished fifth.

Because United won the Cup last season, Hammers went into the EL on foot of finishing a remote seventh in the league.

And we all know how crap a team they are and that even their seventh place was a freak based on the form of one player :oops:

West Ham would not have been anywhere near Europe under those circumstances not so long ago.

And Saints went into it because they finished sixth......another moderate team which was ill equipped to mount a challenge in Europe.

(to pick up on your other point, Layne, two of the English teams quaiifying through league position last season did poorly in the EL....Hammers eliminated in the preliminary round and Saints didn't come out of their group)

That is the way I see it.

That said, an up and coming team should be aspiring to finish high enough up the table to take the EL place as a stepping stone to the CL.

And I think that is exactly what we are at this moment in time.

We are on the move and by the time August comes I fully expect us to be capable of mounting a sustained top four challenge as well as campaign admirably in Europe.

So I will be holding my nose and rooting for United in the League Cup and hope all five of those teams above us still in the other Cup win next weekend and that all but two of them avoid each other in the 6th Round.

Everton need European football.....I love my Thursday nights at Goodison.......so make it happen please, God ;)
 

The fact a cup winner qualifies for EL muddies the stats. I'd like to know how the teams that qualified through the league placing did. Wigan et al who fluke a cup then go down are of course going to do worse then the previous season.

Yup. Far too many variables in the whole "does EL influence your league campaign position" to just look at the simple stats and draw conclusions. Would be great to see a proper analysis of it but the sample size may still be too small to draw meaningful conclusions.... you'd probably have to use PL only (as other leagues have winter breaks), teams which qualified through league placing rather than winning a cup, etc.
 
Yup. Far too many variables in the whole "does EL influence your league campaign position" to just look at the simple stats and draw conclusions. Would be great to see a proper analysis of it but the sample size may still be too small to draw meaningful conclusions.... you'd probably have to use PL only (as other leagues have winter breaks), teams which qualified through league placing rather than winning a cup, etc.
Yup and also factor in the last five seasons of the teams qualifying in case the qualification season was an over performance and therefore bad for a good sample
 
Obviously a European jolly would be great for us fans and would help improve our exposure as a club which in turn may attract incoming players.

On the other hand however, I wouldn't be overly concerned if we didn't get Europe this year as I worry that our squad will still be spread thin.
For me qualification is important for three reasons:
  • We'll (arguably) attract higher calibre players in the summer,
  • The prospect of European football will further justify the need for lots of spending in the summer in general,
  • It'll pretty much guarantee that Rom won't actively seek to leave for at least another year
 
Did Moyes improve our PL position in a EL season (from the previous season)?

thats a very leading question... but the answer is yes... 2007 we finished 6th 2008 5th 2009 5th... so he didn't improve on 5th ... but it didn't ruin our season ... and I don't think it should be "avoided like the plague"
 
The fact a cup winner qualifies for EL muddies the stats. I'd like to know how the teams that qualified through the league placing did. Wigan et al who fluke a cup then go down are of course going to do worse then the previous season.
Don't cup winners from the other European leagues get EL too?
 

The fact a cup winner qualifies for EL muddies the stats. I'd like to know how the teams that qualified through the league placing did. Wigan et al who fluke a cup then go down are of course going to do worse then the previous season.

Exactly.

Also the likes of Bolton, Blackburn, Boro, Portsmouth, Wigan, Fulham, Stoke, Newcastle have all qualified for EL without being equipped to deal with European Football.

All those stats show is big well prepared clubs can deal with it (e.g Spurs 3rd last year and reached QF of EL) and small inexperienced clubs can't. So which type of club do we want to be?
 
I would like to see us back in Europe but finishing 7th, if it does prove to be a qualifying spot, would see the season start in July with qualifiers.

We would need a huge recruitment drive in May for that.

All I want to see is a settled side by May with Lukaku and Barkley on new contracts and the green light on the docks stadium project. EL is just a bonus on top of those priorities.

One game in July the last week then the second leg in August. 2 games before the season starts against the likes of Aberdeen or Cork hardly requires a huge recruitment drive.
 
One game in July the last week then the second leg in August. 2 games before the season starts against the likes of Aberdeen or Cork hardly requires a huge recruitment drive.

We would need a bigger squad.
To win it, and if we are in the EL then I want to win the thing, we would be playing almost another half of a season's worth of matches.
With Bolasie out for a year, McCarthy and Mirallas always picking up knocks and strains, we would need 5 or 6 quality additions.
As proven at Boro the squad depth is suspect even with one game per week.
 

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