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LinekersLegs said:
I think it particularly noticeable for people in certain states like mine (CA) and yours.

Something like 5% of Ca population is undocumented.

The vast majority are just trying to make a living, own property and businesses, pay taxes/rent/mortgages, have US citizen kids/married to US citizens, go to church, help out in the community etc.
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So if Cali a undoubted Dem state is completely fine with it being ran on the backs of illegal workers, why is that ok ?

Do they get paid less, do they have less rights, do they have pensions, healthcare, sick pay , a contract, why are you ok with this?

If not are you actually doing a thing to highlight it? Say in comparison to complaining about trump etc

And how is this not completely abusing people in a huge way...
 
bluestevon said:
So if Cali a undoubted Dem state is completely fine with it being ran on the backs of illegal workers, why is that ok ?

Do they get paid less, do they have less rights, do they have pensions, healthcare, sick pay , a contract, why are you ok with this?

If not are you actually doing a thing to highlight it? Say in comparison to complaining about trump etc

And how is this not completely abusing people in a huge way...
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Who said it was OK? I have consistently voted, at both local and federal level for the representatives that actually want to tackle the issue, to ensure fair wages and protection from abuse by employers, to provide work visas, a pathway to citizenship etc, etc etc.

Trump and the GOP are none of those things!
 
bluestevon said:
So if Cali a undoubted Dem state is completely fine with it being ran on the backs of illegal workers, why is that ok ?

Do they get paid less, do they have less rights, do they have pensions, healthcare, sick pay , a contract, why are you ok with this?

If not are you actually doing a thing to highlight it? Say in comparison to complaining about trump etc

And how is this not completely abusing people in a huge way...
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This is why I'm asking if it's illegal (I thought it was?), it's being talked about like it's a necessity?

It sounds to me like exploitation of desperation.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Who said it was OK? I have consistently voted, at both local and federal level for the representatives that actually want to tackle the issue, to ensure fair wages and protection from abuse by employers, to provide work visas, a pathway to citizenship etc, etc etc.

Trump and the GOP are none of those things!
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But with a democratic president a dem senator and a dem congressman, has anything changed in the regards to the illegal workers
 
d34noj said:
This is why I'm asking if it's illegal (I thought it was?), it's being talked about like it's a necessity?

It sounds to me like exploitation of desperation.
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I'll hold my hands up mate, the same thing happens here, the guys who fix the roads, the guys who do the shitty jobs, they are from the eastern regions or usually from immigrants - same in the army btw - do I think it's good, hell no.
 
d34noj said:
This is why I'm asking if it's illegal (I thought it was?), it's being talked about like it's a necessity?

It sounds to me like exploitation of desperation.
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Historically it's a pattern mate, once the populace reaches a certain level of comfort nobody wants or will do those jobs
 
bluestevon said:
But with a democratic president a dem senator and a dem congressman, has anything changed in the regards to the illegal workers
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Some, not enough in my view
calmatters.org

California built a safety net for undocumented immigrants. Now deficits could leave some behind

California expanded social programs to undocumented immigrants. But is political will fading as budget and recession worries mount?
calmatters.org calmatters.org
In a major reversal since the 1990s, California has opened up government programs to undocumented residents more than any other state — issuing driver’s licenses, college scholarships, low-income tax credits, direct cash aid during the pandemic and now Medi-Cal health coverage. In 2025 California will be the first state to issue food stamps to undocumented immigrants, allowing those 55 and older to qualify.
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California has worked around limits in federal law that bar many immigrants – those with and without legal status – from social programs. That has meant building its own, state-funded programs during years of flush budget surpluses.

But this year, lawmakers and Gov. Gavin Newsom had to plug a $31.5 billion deficit.
 
bluestevon said:
But with a democratic president a dem senator and a dem congressman, has anything changed in the regards to the illegal workers
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Did anything change under Trump? Obama? Bush? Clinton. Etc.

That's a long term issue that's just not been addressed.

www.pewresearch.org

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org


Trump says an awful lot, but does get deliver?
 
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