Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Blue 1]

Yes but does the unborn baby have rights?

The question for me is a tri party question, and yes the mother takes precedence but it's not the only consideration

Foetus.

I disagree with you, the mother is the only consideration at that point in time. She has to go through the pregnancy and she'll be the one who has to change their life completely if carried to term.

Abortion is horrible, I've been party to two. Nobody takes it lightly, and if they do, they won't take it lightly a second time. It leaves a scar on everyone involved, as you appear to know.

 

[Number_25]

As a man, I sometimes feel hesitant to speak on issues that so deeply and uniquely affect women.

But witnessing the ongoing battle for abortion rights in the United States, especially in the context of this election, has left me with a profound sense sadness and a sense of urgency to stand in solidarity with those affected.

I have watched my friends, and family members grapple with personal decisions around pregnancy, often made under challenging circumstances, and I can say with absolute certainty that no one arrives at these choices lightly. The decision to terminate a pregnancy is deeply personal, often painful, and sometimes the hardest choice a person will ever make. It’s not something anyone would willingly invite public opinion on or, even worse, subject themselves to judgement over.

And yet, in large parts of the US, this personal and often agonising decision is no longer in their hands.

As someone who cannot know this struggle firsthand, I recognise my position is one of privilege. But I refuse to stand by while the bodily autonomy of millions could potentially be erased. Watching the erosion of such a fundamental right feels like watching humanity take a step backwards - an abandonment of compassion, trust, and respect for women’s experiences.

I fear for a world in which our daughters, sisters, friends, and partners are no longer allowed to make decisions about their own futures. To lose that right isn’t just to lose control over one’s body but to be stripped of dignity, of privacy, of freedom. And if it can happen in a country as influential as the US, what’s to stop it from happening elsewhere?

This election feels like a last chance to reclaim those rights. I stand with all the women, people, and allies who continue to fight for a world in which personal autonomy and dignity are upheld for all.

I can’t vote in this election, but I can lend my voice, my support, and my hope that is that compassion, freedom, and progress over regression and control wins.

Please, for everyone who has ever faced this impossible choice and for all who may face it in the future - vote for their rights.

Vote for their voices.

Vote for their freedom.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

So the central issue which effects women's healthcare issues is the right to abortion, without that no other issues are effected, correct?

What bigger issue could there possibly be for women's healthcare?

 

[emir]

The betting markets have Harris, so I'm edging towards her based on that alone.

What betting markets? Did you pull that out of your ass?

Polymarket has Trump 60/40.

 

[Rita_Poon]

For the birds pal.

 

[emir]

I don’t think a Trump runaway is a plausible scenario. My opinion is that it’ll be close either way, but I can at least envision a situation where she wins it comfortably. Especially if those polls out of Iowa over the weekend are to be believe, but I’m a bit skeptical of those.

What's exactly your rationale behind this? I'm genuinely curious why you think a Kamala landslide is plausible yet Trump landslide isn't. Like what sort of explanation do you have?

Trump has been underestimated by polls twice hugely, and he's tied with Kamala on RCP. Not to mention, NYT admitted yesterday people who support Trump are much less likely to admit to a pollster. Not to mention, Trump is up huge on betting markets.

What's exactly your explanation?

 

[Huyton Layne]

Is trump trying to limit women's healthcare in any other way besides the right for abortion?

Well he wants rid of Obamacare so he's risking a lot of working people's healthcare right there.
Other people would know whether he can remove price limits on essential meds that Biden created.

 

[LinekersLegs]

So you support the Canadian law on eithinssua then also?

But to answer your actual question, by having strict parameters - any risk to the woman's life, any instance of forced sex, any serious birth defect, if the girl is underage.

All 100% valid reasons LL.

Yes, I support assisted suicide, having seen a few family/friends end in pain or distress I wouldn’t put an animal, let alone a person, through. Of course you need to ensure that it is the patient’s own choice rather than a decision made by say greedy relatives.

But even those parameters such as “any risk to a woman’s life” are not tidy little things in a bow - for example “any risk” could be defined as zero risk and yet women are being sent home in great pain and distress and some have died from their complications before their health risk was considered high enough to receive healthcare.

Abortion Bans Have Delayed Emergency Medical Care. In Georgia, Experts Say This Mother’s Death Was Preventable.

At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state, ProPublica has found. This is one of their stories.

www.propublica.org

She was denied an abortion in Texas - then she almost died

Over a dozen women are suing Texas after being denied abortions they say were medically necessary.

www.bbc.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/12/29/1143823727/bleeding-and-in-pain-she-couldnt-get-2-louisiana-ers-to-answer-is-it-a-miscarria

These decisions should be between a person and their healthcare provider- they should not be political.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

What betting markets? Did you pull that out of your ass?

Polymarket has Trump 60/40.

Day 5 of the dinosaur hunt, any joy?

 

[bluestevon]

I mentioned pro-life. I didn't call you a pro-lifer, but I pointed out that your initial argument was strikingly similar to what some of the pro-life crowd employ.

My issue is that something which is a huge decision and source of mental and physical anguish for a lot of women and in some cases the father, has been boiled down by certain camps as; at best a frivolous get-out-of-jail-free scenario and at worse, as JD Vance suggested on his Rogan interview, something to be celebrated.

While it's right that there should be discussion on such a complex and emotive topic, surely you understand that in the context of a US election thread, especially with the current political climate, that suddenly deciding to take umbrage with a females word choice on the subject, is going to rub some people up the wrong way. Especially those who are actually living over in the US who may very well be affected by all of this.

Fair enough mate and point taken

 

[bluestevon]

Yes, I support assisted suicide, having seen a few family/friends end in pain or distress I wouldn’t put an animal, let alone a person, through. Of course you need to ensure that it is the patient’s own choice rather than a decision made by say greedy relatives.

But even those parameters such as “any risk to a woman’s life” are not tidy little things in a bow - for example “any risk” could be defined as zero risk and yet women are being sent home in great pain and distress and some have died from their complications before their health risk was considered high enough to receive healthcare.

Abortion Bans Have Delayed Emergency Medical Care. In Georgia, Experts Say This Mother’s Death Was Preventable.

At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state, ProPublica has found. This is one of their stories.

www.propublica.org

She was denied an abortion in Texas - then she almost died

Over a dozen women are suing Texas after being denied abortions they say were medically necessary.

www.bbc.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/12/29/1143823727/bleeding-and-in-pain-she-couldnt-get-2-louisiana-ers-to-answer-is-it-a-miscarria

These decisions should be between a person and their healthcare provider- they should not be political.

Thanks for the detailed answer LL, sorry for any offence earlier.

 

[davek]

Seems to be settling attitude among Harris supporters that they've got this and they'll win big(ish); that the pollsters have been herding and it's not that close.

Could be. I mean Trump is a walking nightmare candidate and you cant see him winning over anyone but the MAGA vote. But Harris is appalling IMO. I wonder if she's been able to be that persuasive. She''s really only got the fact she's not Trump going for her.

I think she'll win but the opportunity was there to smash the MAGA lot completely, and this election will just leave the US fractured and the MAGA torch handed on to the next loony.

 

[Rita_Poon]

heel turn.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Thanks for the detailed answer LL, sorry for any offence earlier.

Fwiw if the pro-life movement in the US wanted to reduce the number of abortions they could do something to address the number one cited reason - financial issues,

Maternity pay is not guaranteed in all US states, heck there are even loopholes on the 12 weeks of unpaid leave theoretically entitled to.

Having a baby in the US? Hospital, midwife, and delivery costs

Nearly 4 million babies are born in the US each year. If you’re a visitor, tourist, or expat planning to have a child in the US, you’re in for a shock. When...

wise.com

Even with insurance delivery costs are expensive - crippling for anyone without
To give you some idea of what you might pay, here is a summary of some average costs associated with childbirth. Costs will vary widely depending on your health insurance and even what state you’re in, as well as how your delivery goes:

• (No insurance) Total average hospital bill for a regular birth: $30,000
• (No insurance) Total average hospital bill with a c-section: $50,000
• (With insurance) Total average hospital bill for a regular birth: $3,400
• (With insurance) Total average hospital bill with a c-section:$3,400

Maternal mortality is also one of the worst in the developed world, particularly for women of color.

Why Maternal Mortality Rates Are Getting Worse across the U.S.

A new study shows U.S. maternal mortality rates are increasing, and health care providers and advocacy groups are racing to build better care for new parents

www.scientificamerican.com

Personally I find all of those far more important issues to tackle than trying to police whether someone has a “valid” reason for an abortion.

 

[longers]

Big Daddy P telling it how it is, or something