Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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Just watched some of Piers Morgan, Sarah Palin, Medhi Hasan and Destiny debate from the other day

Proper exhausting but somewhat entertaining. That Destiny guy is even faster talking than Ben Shapiro. He should take up an alternate career as some double-time hip hop mc
 
Fwiw if the pro-life movement in the US wanted to reduce the number of abortions they could do something to address the number one cited reason - financial issues,

Maternity pay is not guaranteed in all US states, heck there are even loopholes on the 12 weeks of unpaid leave theoretically entitled to.

Even with insurance delivery costs are expensive - crippling for anyone without
To give you some idea of what you might pay, here is a summary of some average costs associated with childbirth. Costs will vary widely depending on your health insurance and even what state you’re in, as well as how your delivery goes:
  • (No insurance) Total average hospital bill for a regular birth: $30,000
  • (No insurance) Total average hospital bill with a c-section: $50,000
  • (With insurance) Total average hospital bill for a regular birth: $3,400
  • (With insurance) Total average hospital bill with a c-section:$3,400
Maternal mortality is also one of the worst in the developed world, particularly for women of color.

Personally I find all of those far more important issues to tackle than trying to police whether someone has a “valid” reason for an abortion.
The problem there is they are only actually pro life up until the baby is born.
 
The problem there is they are only actually pro life up until the baby is born.
Sadly not even that, or else they would be concerned with pre birth heath issues such as regular health checkups, maternal nutrition and vaccines.
At about six weeks pregnant, Joshua, 30, called a physicians' group in Baton Rouge. She wanted to make her first prenatal appointment there for around the eight-week mark, as she had in her first pregnancy. But Joshua says the woman on the line told her she was going to have to wait over a month. "They specifically said, 'We now no longer see women until they're at least 12 weeks,'" Joshua recalls. "And I said, 'Oh Lord. Is this because of what I think? And they said, 'Yes.'"

She remembers the woman on the phone saying that since the U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, and with what the woman called a gray area in Louisiana's law, the group was delaying the first prenatal appointment with patients. Joshua remembers her saying that many women miscarry in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and they didn't want to be liable for an investigation.
 
Joe Rogan has now endorsed Trump.

Yeah, this election is finshed. It's a matter of how big the victory is for Trump now.
Two ways of looking at this: You could argue it's not a strong endorsement coming right at the death - he could have done this yonks ago if he wanted to dramatically influence the result of the election. On the flip side one could argue it has come at just the right time, the night before the election with many millions of undecided voters ready to have their heads turned. His reach and influence cannot be doubted, although he's hardly come out and specifically called for people to go to the polls and vote Trump.
 
Sadly not even that, or else they would be concerned with pre birth heath issues such as regular health checkups, maternal nutrition and vaccines.
At about six weeks pregnant, Joshua, 30, called a physicians' group in Baton Rouge. She wanted to make her first prenatal appointment there for around the eight-week mark, as she had in her first pregnancy. But Joshua says the woman on the line told her she was going to have to wait over a month. "They specifically said, 'We now no longer see women until they're at least 12 weeks,'" Joshua recalls. "And I said, 'Oh Lord. Is this because of what I think? And they said, 'Yes.'"

She remembers the woman on the phone saying that since the U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, and with what the woman called a gray area in Louisiana's law, the group was delaying the first prenatal appointment with patients. Joshua remembers her saying that many women miscarry in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and they didn't want to be liable for an investigation.
It’s heartbreaking.
 
Sadly not even that, or else they would be concerned with pre birth heath issues such as regular health checkups, maternal nutrition and vaccines.
At about six weeks pregnant, Joshua, 30, called a physicians' group in Baton Rouge. She wanted to make her first prenatal appointment there for around the eight-week mark, as she had in her first pregnancy. But Joshua says the woman on the line told her she was going to have to wait over a month. "They specifically said, 'We now no longer see women until they're at least 12 weeks,'" Joshua recalls. "And I said, 'Oh Lord. Is this because of what I think? And they said, 'Yes.'"

She remembers the woman on the phone saying that since the U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, and with what the woman called a gray area in Louisiana's law, the group was delaying the first prenatal appointment with patients. Joshua remembers her saying that many women miscarry in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and they didn't want to be liable for an investigation.

Now here's were I completely don't understand them.

It's basically a common sense thing, if a pregnant woman sees a scan - even if it's in the very early stages, then she is simply statistically less likely to terminate the pregnancy.

So why the flying 'f' do something as downright retarded as not trying to maximise early scans if the goal is to reduce the number of terminations.

Baffling
 
Now here's were I completely don't understand them.

It's basically a common sense thing, if a pregnant woman sees a scan - even if it's in the very early stages, then she is simply statistically less likely to terminate the pregnancy.

So why the flying 'f' do something as downright retarded as not trying to maximise early scans if the goal is to reduce the number of terminations.

Baffling
US anti abortion laws, as currently written, generally do not punish a woman herself for getting an abortion.

In 2016 Trump floated that idea but, even among the “pro-life” crowd it was very unpopular.

So the laws have been written to target healthcare providers who do abortions. And abortions, as written, can have a very wide range of potential definitions including helping someone who is undergoing a miscarriage in early pregnancy (a sadly very common occurrence).

So to avoid any possible legal entanglements healthcare providers in those states will naturally try to avoid dealing with women until their pregnancy is more secure. This obviously is not great for either maternal or fetal health but is an entirely predictable outcome from the rules as they are written.

Some states’ abortion laws specify that care for ectopic pregnancies and pregnancy loss is not criminalized in its statutes. Most states with these provisions in their bans allow for the removal of a dead fetus or embryo, but not for miscarriage care, generally. This means that pregnant people who are actively miscarrying may be denied care if there is still detectable fetal cardiac activity. There have already been reports of such situations in Texas and Louisiana. In Louisiana, for example, a pregnant woman went to the hospital after experiencing sharp pain and bleeding. She was informed her fetus had likely stopped growing a few weeks prior, as its size did not correspond to the length of her pregnancy, and that it had very faint cardiac activity. Despite the pain and the blood loss she was experiencing, she could not receive the regimen of mifepristone and misoprostol commonly prescribed to pregnant patients who are miscarrying to ensure that the pregnancy is safely expelled from the body completely in a timely manner, thereby decreasing the risk of sepsis and infection. Instead, she had to wait for the miscarriage to progress without medical intervention, which would have expedited the process and reduced her medical risk. In states where the abortion bans do not clarify that miscarriage care is not criminalized – even when there is still detectable cardiac activity – pregnant people may not be able to receive care to manage their pregnancy loss unless and until it becomes a medical emergency.
 
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