Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[bluestevon]

he campaigned so hard on reducing gov spending but failed miserably at it.
Obama had to work his butt off to get the national debt back under control from the Bush crash and it only took Trump two years (pre covid) to balloon it again.
Trump will borrow what ever he can and spend recklessly in an effort to self aggrandize. Why anyone thinks he'll change the habits of a lifetime is beyond me.

You sure about that mate, going off the treasury departments own figures.

When Bush took office nations debt was 5.64 trillion
National debt in 2008 when Obama took office was 10.04 trillion dollars.
By 2016 national debt had risen to 19.57 trillion dollars - When he left office.
By 2018 the date you stated two years in national debt had risen to 21.56.
After COVID hit you saw the debt skyrocket to 26.9 trillion by 2020

Now after nearly 4 years of Biden the figure sits at 35.84 trillion dollars

Unless I'm missing something then it seems Obama skyrocketed the national debt astronomically - almost doubled it in the space of 8 years. And under Biden it's rate of increase has almost doubled over Trumps four years (given Trump had the pandemic as well)

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Difference is, biden was awkuadly calling those who refered to Puerto Rico as a floating garbage island, garbage.
Biden is not running for POTUS
And this time round it's fairly clear a whole heap of Trumps followers are infact garbage.
I doubt theres one undecided voter out there who goes "that's it, I'm voting Trump' over this.
This might look bad on a general level but the MSG garbage island was WAY worse in an actual votes sense.
Clinton was right.

No she wasn't

We have proof now it's way more than half

 

[bluestevon]

It's definitely silly, but I wonder if people see it as reflecting his supporters in the room.

Calling Puerto Rico garbage when half a million live in a key state is dumb.

If I were advising Harris I'd be telling her talk about the economy, the money for working class people, the industrial strategy. If I were advising Trump I'd tell him to talk about inflation (although his policies will cause it) and immigration (but sensibly, not stuff about eating dogs).

Id be leaving stuff about fascism and garbage out of it.

Not sure if either side wants to debate any real topics mate this election. Don't think either side has a clue what to do about the economy or national debt including the insane levels of federal spending.

 

[bluestevon]

I'll just say this, if you are winning you're not tweeting about alleging cheating at a crucial time in key states.

He's spooked.

In part it could be getting used as a tactic to try to ensure he maximises his own voter turnout mate, or to try convince Harris supporters there's no need to turn out.

Or it could just be Tinfoiltrump at it again.

 

[Ruairi77]

You sure about that mate, going off the treasury departments own figures.

When Bush took office nations debt was 5.64 trillion
National debt in 2008 when Obama took office was 10.04 trillion dollars.
By 2016 national debt had risen to 19.57 trillion dollars - When he left office.
By 2018 the date you stated two years in national debt had risen to 21.56.
After COVID hit you saw the debt skyrocket to 26.9 trillion by 2020

Now after nearly 4 years of Biden the figure sits at 35.84 trillion dollars

Unless I'm missing something then it seems Obama skyrocketed the national debt astronomically - almost doubled it in the space of 8 years. And under Biden it's rate of increase has almost doubled over Trumps four years (given Trump had the pandemic as well)

Right but Obama took over a basket case economy. The worst since the great depression.
It needed a massive cash injection to stabilize.
He handed Trump a buoyant economy.
Trump promised to reduce the debt but didnt.
He then mismanaged covid and handed biden basket case economy that needed massive investment to recover.
The economy has recovered and all the metrics are going in the right direction.
It's no mistake that the last president to record a surplus was Clinton.
The Dems do better with the economy than Republicans, have done for a generation.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

You sure about that mate, going off the treasury departments own figures.

When Bush took office nations debt was 5.64 trillion
National debt in 2008 when Obama took office was 10.04 trillion dollars.
By 2016 national debt had risen to 19.57 trillion dollars - When he left office.
By 2018 the date you stated two years in national debt had risen to 21.56.
After COVID hit you saw the debt skyrocket to 26.9 trillion by 2020

Now after nearly 4 years of Biden the figure sits at 35.84 trillion dollars

Unless I'm missing something then it seems Obama skyrocketed the national debt astronomically - almost doubled it in the space of 8 years. And under Biden it's rate of increase has almost doubled over Trumps four years (given Trump had the pandemic as well)

Obama ballooned the debt with his bailout immediately upon taking office - something most economists said had to happen lest the US economy go into a depression.

Also - bizarrely you leave Trump's term out of these numbers

9/30/09 - $11.9 trillion
9/30/17 - $20.2 trillion
9/30/21 - $28.4 trillion

So Obama raised it roughly $1 trillion per year

Trump raised it $2 trillion per year

Biden has raised the debt certainly.

As someone on the more conservative fiscal side of things, absolutely we must get this under control - it cannot continue like this

But the GOP wants to cut taxes for the richest people in our country, and the Democrats want these billionaires to pay their fair share.

It's simple math

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Right but Obama took over a basket case economy. The worst since the great depression.
It needed a massive cash injection to stabilize.
He handed Trump a buoyant economy.
Trump promised to reduce the debt but didnt.
He then mismanaged covid and handed biden basket case economy that needed massive investment to recover.
The economy has recovered and all the metrics are going in the right direction.
It's no mistake that the last president to record a surplus was Clinton.
The Dems do better with the economy than Republicans, have done for a generation.

Virtually all economic indicators point to this statement as fact, not feelings

 

[BlueTX]

Right but Obama took over a basket case economy. The worst since the great depression.
It needed a massive cash injection to stabilize.
He handed Trump a buoyant economy.
Trump promised to reduce the debt but didnt.
He then mismanaged covid and handed biden basket case economy that needed massive investment to recover.
The economy has recovered and all the metrics are going in the right direction.
It's no mistake that the last president to record a surplus was Clinton.
The Dems do better with the economy than Republicans, have done for a generation.

Trump promised 6% GDP growth and to wipe out the Federal debt in 8 years.

The man lives in fantasy land.

 

[bluestevon]

Obama ballooned the debt with his bailout immediately upon taking office - something most economists said had to happen lest the US economy go into a depression.

Also - bizarrely you leave Trump's term out of these numbers

9/30/09 - $11.9 trillion
9/30/17 - $20.2 trillion
9/30/21 - $28.4 trillion

So Obama raised it roughly $1 trillion per year

Trump raised it $2 trillion per year

Biden has raised the debt certainly.

As someone on the more conservative fiscal side of things, absolutely we must get this under control - it cannot continue like this

But the GOP wants to cut taxes for the richest people in our country, and the Democrats want these billionaires to pay their fair share.

It's simple math

By 2018 the date you stated two years in national debt had risen to 21.56.
After COVID hit you saw the debt skyrocket to 26.9 trillion by 2020

From my post you replied to mate, I included from Bush to Biden, didn't leave Trump out at all ...

 

[RAFUH]

You missed out something there: who on earth was thinking about the welfare of that poor elderly woman doddering about on a stick? Must have been 90 if she was a day.

Certainly not the man who instigated it all

 

[bluestevon]

Obama ballooned the debt with his bailout immediately upon taking office - something most economists said had to happen lest the US economy go into a depression.

Also - bizarrely you leave Trump's term out of these numbers

9/30/09 - $11.9 trillion
9/30/17 - $20.2 trillion
9/30/21 - $28.4 trillion

So Obama raised it roughly $1 trillion per year

Trump raised it $2 trillion per year

Biden has raised the debt certainly.

As someone on the more conservative fiscal side of things, absolutely we must get this under control - it cannot continue like this

But the GOP wants to cut taxes for the richest people in our country, and the Democrats want these billionaires to pay their fair share.

I honestly don't think the national debt is possible to get under control anymore mate. Every administration since Clinton has just piled on more and more debt until the point now even severe cutbacks in spending would see it increasing due to the interest alone.

To do so would require such extreme measures no administration would survive even trying to implement even if they could get those measures through the both houses - which they couldn't

 

[davek]

Certainly not the man who instigated it all

Nor any of the election workers.

That in microcosm is the American political scene right now: no humanity or compassion.

 

[dublinbluenose]

So what do we look out for on Election night? IiRC North Carolina is one of the states that gets called pretty quickly. If Harris wins that state, it's curtains for Trump. If Trump gets a big win ( somewhere around his 2016 win of about 3.5%) then it looks good for Trump.

 

[TN Toffee]

This is such a blatant pisstake that he can’t even manage to get it out with a straight face. Yet, tons of Fox viewers will lap it right up, thinking to themselves, “He’s making great points.”


Not as stupid as this, but still pretty terrible.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I honestly don't think the national debt is possible to get under control anymore mate. Every administration since Clinton has just piled on more and more debt until the point now even severe cutbacks in spending would see it increasing due to the interest alone.

To do so would require such extreme measures no administration would survive even trying to implement even if they could get those measures through the both houses - which they couldn't

Now I agree with you here, to a point. It's very difficult to get under control now for the reasons you described.

But we have to start somewhere. It's kind of like combating climate change. It's not something that's an easy fix, and you're not going to see "results" immediately. But we need to begin to turn the glacier ever so slowly to get it on the correct course. That starts with bringing in more revenue (taxes). And keeping spending generally flat.

Certainly not popular on the spending side, but this is where a full functioning legislature that takes their job seriously can come to reasonable compromise. Which was much more common pre-Gingrich era. Our politics now have one set of adults in the room, and the other set railing against the clearly material menace of advocating for jailed illegal alien federally funded transgender surgeries