Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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dublinbluenose said:
Should the former Trump senior cabinet officials stop mentioning it as well? What a ridiculous take.

She was spot on, there is a comforting narrative that moderate conservative believe - he won't be that bad, he didn't go full authoritarian last time. Well, the team this time are complete yes men and the guard rails aren't there, anymore. It's a good message to use Trump's men in the room.

It's just a shame that most Republican voters either will not hear the interview with John Kelly or actually care if they do.
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Yep

The non-fire breathing MAGA republicans still have a brain

which way they vote could very well swing the election

And the more republicans that come out and explain why they cannot vote for trump can only benefit Harris

I think it’s a good thing
 
TN Toffee said:
It was never going to be a slam dunk. She’s facing someone who is an actual cult leader and whose followers are going to turn out in droves. The way the voting factions fall out in the US makes the hill an easier climb for Republicans. They’ve got to win the rich and the religious vote, and that’s pretty much it. The Democrats on the other hand have motivate enough people from the remnant of the county to get to the polls in order to beat them. That’s a massively diverse coalition to try and unite. It includes both the Muslim and Jewish votes, moderate voters to the most progressive. Since she got in the race, I can’t remember a time when the party was in such lock step, and certainly can’t think of any realistic candidate that would have done better.

As to your final point, after the debate in July, it was painfully obvious Biden had no chance. At that point, as has been explained earlier in this thread, very real legal hurdles made it almost impossible for the Democrats to even run an actual campaign if they’d chosen anyone besides her. Had Biden withdrawn himself a year earlier it would have been an entirely different matter. But that’s not her fault.
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Exactly

We can go back a year on this thread and see that virtually every American on this forum didn't want Biden to run again. None of us did. We knew it was a bad idea.

But run he did. As we've talked through countless times on this thread, once he ran, and dropped out so late, options were very limited and all bad.

Democrats and Harris made the best decision out of terrible options. And they've run a good campaign

Are there enough people that can see through Trump's nonsense still left?

Let's hope so
 
TN Toffee said:
It’s easy to dismiss Trump as the idiot that he is, but you can’t dismiss his following. Also worth noting that a substantial number of his followers were not politically motivated prior to him running in 2016. Obviously McCain and Romney were FAR better candidates by any sane metric to judge a president by, but they didn’t have the cult support that Trump does. It would be a tougher climb than 2008 and 2012 even if the Democrats had a generational talent like Obama running, which they obviously don’t.

Maybe, but how would they have funded the campaign? The Biden/Harris campaign had already raised tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars, and they wouldn’t have been able to spend a dime of it on hypothetical candidate nominated in a short primary or on the convention floor. US campaign finance laws prohibit it. They would have been literally starting from scratch financially three months out from the election.
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I take your first point, but I'm not sure about the campaign funding. IIRC the vast majority of donations came after Harris was nominated candidate. She raised $100M in the first week after being chosen, and in September alone she received $220M - and she's raised , according to Forbes, over a $1 Billion overall.

Any other candidate could have done the same.
 
davek said:
I take your first point, but I'm not sure about the campaign funding. IIRC the vast majority of donations came after Harris was nominated candidate. She raised $100M in the first week after being chosen, and in September alone she received $220M - and she's raised , according to Forbes, over a $1 Billion overall.

Any other candidate could have done the same.
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Have you ever spoken to a Trump supporter?

In the US?

In rural America?

If so, what did you learn from that interaction?

I'm not talking about soundbites. I'm talking about actually talking to them
 
emir said:
The Democrat's recent rhetoric on Trump is outright dangerous, it's actually so sad and desperate but the potential damage may be off the charts. No doubt Trump's security will have to be beefed up because the Democrats are trying to inspire a lunatic to assassinate the "next Hitler".

In fact, the biggest threat to a second Trump presidency isn't Kamala, it's a potential successful 4th assassination attempt.
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There has only been one assignation attempt, carried out by a Republican member, and condemned rightly by the Democrats. Trump is yet to condemn the burglary and battery of an old man (Pelosis husband) from memory? In fact, didn't he laugh about it?

So spare us the falsifications please.

The biggest danger is from guns. They need to outlaw guns. It's hard to have any sympathy for anyone who supports gun ownership, when they suffer the consequences of their positions really.
 
It's funny to hear Americans complain about inflation when, as of September 2024, it was only 2.4%. As for high 'grocery' prices, that's likely more a lingering effect of COVID. Companies realised they could charge more during the pandemic and are continuing to do so. No party will introduce price control policies, especially not the Republicans
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
Have you ever spoken to a Trump supporter?

In the US?

In rural America?

If so, what did you learn from that interaction?

I'm not talking about soundbites. I'm talking about actually talking to them
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The battleground states have been blitzed by Harris with her $1Billion warchest. That includes rust belt states where she should really have sown this race up facing the utter weapon she does.

I have no idea whether she wins the WH or not; she may well have carried those states and the money was well spent. But I do know know that she's been a very poor choice as candidate. To get over the racial and gender opposition she undoubtedly faces she had to have a clear and positive message and the ability to project herself as her own woman and not someone who just got the gig because Biden forgot his lines a number of times.

If she's in trouble now it'll be, IMO, for two reasons:

1/ she cant get out from under the discredited Biden presidency (in fact, she's tried unconvincingly to look both ways on that issue - sometimes refusing to break lock step with Biden's time in office, other times claiming she'd have done some stuff differently) and on issues like border control and cost of living she suffers because of it.

2/ she's a poor communicator and / or her personality is not a winning one

We'll see. Hopefully the last couple of weeks of polls and speculation about stalling campaigns amount to nothing and she keeps the keys of the WH from you know who. If she does then (ultimately) she's been the right choice, obviously.
 
davek said:
The battleground states have been blitzed by Harris with her $1Billion warchest. That includes rust belt states where she should really have sown this race up facing the utter weapon she does.

I have no idea whether she wins the WH or not; she may well have carried those states and the money was well spent. But I do know know that she's been a very poor choice as candidate. To get over the racial and gender opposition she undoubtedly faces she had to have a clear and positive message and the ability to project herself as her own woman and not someone who just got the gig because Biden forgot his lines a number of times.

If she's in trouble now it'll be, IMO, for two reasons:

1/ she cant get out from under the discredited Biden presidency (in fact, she's tried unconvincingly to look both ways on that issue - sometimes refusing to break lock step with Biden's time in office, other times claiming she'd have done some stuff differently) and on issues like border control and cost of living she suffers because of it.

2/ she's a poor communicator and / or her personality is not a winning one

We'll see. Hopefully the last couple of weeks of polls and speculation about stalling campaigns amount to nothing and she keeps the keys of the WH from you know who. If she does then (ultimately) she's been the right choice, obviously.
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You’re talking about Harris as a candidate

And not about the 40% of the electorate that would never, NEVER, vote for anyone with a D next to their name
 
efcste97 said:
He's practically bending over backwards for Trump. Given how much he'd gain from a Trump victory, it's understandable, but it's still pretty embarrassing.
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True. Bent over and arse cheeks spread wide open:
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I'm surprised the caption didn't read: Oh Donnie! I want to have your baby, please!
 
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