Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Blue 1]

If Trump wins, we'll get 2 more MAGA Supreme Court Justices.

That means 5 of 9 justices appointed by a President who committed espionage against his own country, is a convicted felon, a rapist, and who tried to bring an end to American democracy when he lost a free and fair election.

It means anything a future Democrat president tries to do can be overturned by the MAGA Supreme Court.

This, in turn, means nothing can be done to fight climate change in most of our lifetimes. Women won't regain the rights they took from them. Nothing will be done to rein in the oligarchs. Nothing will be done about dark money in politics. The assault on labour protections will continue.

Another Trump victory will be a big problem for the rest of our lives, even those outside the USA.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Did you personally weigh those Nazis and found out they weighed a tonne?

Given they’re American Nazis a tonne is probably severely lowballing their weight

 

[davek]

Harris needs to drop all this nazi stuff, no matter if it's true or not.

That's a blind alley she's going down and I think it'll have the opposite effect than she wants to happen.

I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy about Trump 47 now. The major issues are in the bag for him on the economy and border control, and Harris is looking increasingly desperate, like she's a candidate that's been spooked by internal polling.

What should have been a slam dunk against an unhinged opponent has turned into a knife edge election because she is an unimpressive candidate who cant get out from under the Biden shadow and distinguish herself from him in any good way.

Her legacy if she loses will be that she lobbied for and took the nomination and failed to stop a second Trump term in office when others could have, and with some ease IMO.

 

[efcste97]

 

[TN Toffee]

Harris needs to drop all this nazi stuff, no matter if it's true or not.

That's a blind alley she's going down and I think it'll have the opposite effect than she wants to happen.

I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy about Trump 47 now. The major issues are in the bag for him on the economy and border control, and Harris is looking increasingly desperate, like she's a candidate that's been spooked by internal polling.

What should have been a slam dunk against an unhinged opponent has turned into a knife edge election because she is an unimpressive candidate who cant get out from under the Biden shadow and distinguish herself from him in any good way.

Her legacy if she loses will be that she lobbied for and took the nomination and failed to stop a second Trump term in office when others could have, and with some ease IMO.

It was never going to be a slam dunk. She’s facing someone who is an actual cult leader and whose followers are going to turn out in droves. The way the voting factions fall out in the US makes the hill an easier climb for Republicans. They’ve got to win the rich and the religious vote, and that’s pretty much it. The Democrats on the other hand have motivate enough people from the remnant of the county to get to the polls in order to beat them. That’s a massively diverse coalition to try and unite. It includes both the Muslim and Jewish votes, moderate voters to the most progressive. Since she got in the race, I can’t remember a time when the party was in such lock step, and certainly can’t think of any realistic candidate that would have done better.

As to your final point, after the debate in July, it was painfully obvious Biden had no chance. At that point, as has been explained earlier in this thread, very real legal hurdles made it almost impossible for the Democrats to even run an actual campaign if they’d chosen anyone besides her. Had Biden withdrawn himself a year earlier it would have been an entirely different matter. But that’s not her fault.

 

[efcste97]

 

[tantavisiteler]

 

[davek]

It was never going to be a slam dunk. She’s facing someone who is an actual cult leader and whose followers are going to turn out in droves. The way the voting factions fall out in the US makes the hill an easier climb for Republicans. They’ve got to win the rich and the religious vote, and that’s pretty much it. The Democrats on the other hand have motivate enough people from the remnant of the county to get to the polls in order to beat them. That’s a massively diverse coalition to try and unite. It includes both the Muslim and Jewish votes, moderate voters to the most progressive. Since she got in the race, I can’t remember a time when the party was in such lock step, and certainly can’t think of any realistic candidate that would have done better.

As to your final point, after the debate in July, it was painfully obvious Biden had no chance. At that point, as has been explained earlier in this thread, very real legal hurdles made it almost impossible for the Democrats to even run an actual campaign if they’d chosen anyone besides her. Had Biden withdrawn himself a year earlier it would have been an entirely different matter. But that’s not her fault.

First paragraph: that rainbow coalition has been the hill they've had to climb for decades. Others have managed it, and against much greater calibre opposing candidates than the decrepit Trump.

Second paragragh: it just wont wash that there could have been a coronation for anyone other than Harris. Even a short contest at the DNC could have secured the leadership of a more formidable candidate than Harris.

 

[Amw79]

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True. Should Harris lose, the democrats and the left will probably look for excuses.

If Trump loses he will refuse to accept he’s lost, and the right will propagate lies and misinformation across media, to sow a narrative that widescale fraud has taken place, most likely resulting in violence and death. Again.

 

[ChesterBlue]

He’s got kids, imagine having that as your da. Jesus Christ

 

[TN Toffee]

First paragraph: that rainbow coalition has been the hill they've had to climb for decades. Others have managed it, and against much greater calibre opposing candidates than the decrepit Trump.

Second paragragh: it just wont wash that there could have been a coronation for anyone other than Harris. Even a short contest at the DNC could have secured the leadership of a more formidable candidate than Harris.

It’s easy to dismiss Trump as the idiot that he is, but you can’t dismiss his following. Also worth noting that a substantial number of his followers were not politically motivated prior to him running in 2016. Obviously McCain and Romney were FAR better candidates by any sane metric to judge a president by, but they didn’t have the cult support that Trump does. It would be a tougher climb than 2008 and 2012 even if the Democrats had a generational talent like Obama running, which they obviously don’t.

Maybe, but how would they have funded the campaign? The Biden/Harris campaign had already raised tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars, and they wouldn’t have been able to spend a dime of it on hypothetical candidate nominated in a short primary or on the convention floor. US campaign finance laws prohibit it. They would have been literally starting from scratch financially three months out from the election.

 

[Prevenger17]

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These articles are so dumb. The fact is, the main culprit behind a Trump presidency, if he were to win, is the people who went out and voted for him despite the mountains of empirical evidence that point to him being a profoundly stupid person with next to zero redeeming qualities, who is a proven liar, sex pest and crook.

Lol at the idea that there is this homegenous "left" driving people to vote for Trump because they are condescending. Could the Democrats have picked a better candidate? Probably. Could they do things better? Absolutely. But if Trump wins this election, I'd be looking at the gutless party Republicans who know right well what Trump is and won't say it, the ridiculous two-party electoral system, the swathes of misinformation and the people who drive it, and the morons who would vote Hitler if he were a Republican. There are so many more but, sufficed to say, Kamala smiling and being a bit preachy would be very low down on my list

 

[dublinbluenose]

Harris needs to drop all this nazi stuff, no matter if it's true or not.

That's a blind alley she's going down and I think it'll have the opposite effect than she wants to happen.

I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy about Trump 47 now. The major issues are in the bag for him on the economy and border control, and Harris is looking increasingly desperate, like she's a candidate that's been spooked by internal polling.

What should have been a slam dunk against an unhinged opponent has turned into a knife edge election because she is an unimpressive candidate who cant get out from under the Biden shadow and distinguish herself from him in any good way.

Her legacy if she loses will be that she lobbied for and took the nomination and failed to stop a second Trump term in office when others could have, and with some ease IMO.

Should the former Trump senior cabinet officials stop mentioning it as well? What a ridiculous take.

She was spot on, there is a comforting narrative that moderate conservative believe - he won't be that bad, he didn't go full authoritarian last time. Well, the team this time are complete yes men and the guard rails aren't there, anymore. It's a good message to use Trump's men in the room.

It's just a shame that most Republican voters either will not hear the interview with John Kelly or actually care if they do.

 

[efcste97]

The Democrat's recent rhetoric on Trump is outright dangerous, it's actually so sad and desperate but the potential damage may be off the charts. No doubt Trump's security will have to be beefed up because the Democrats are trying to inspire a lunatic to assassinate the "next Hitler".

In fact, the biggest threat to a second Trump presidency isn't Kamala, it's a potential successful 4th assassination attempt.

Maybe blame his ex-chief of staff, it was john kelly who said 'Trump wanted generals like Hitler's and said Nazi leader 'did some good things,'

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

First paragraph: that rainbow coalition has been the hill they've had to climb for decades. Others have managed it, and against much greater calibre opposing candidates than the decrepit Trump.

Second paragragh: it just wont wash that there could have been a coronation for anyone other than Harris. Even a short contest at the DNC could have secured the leadership of a more formidable candidate than Harris.

by any objective measure, in any election pre Trump (given trumps obvious disqualifying issues) Harris would clearly have “done enough” to win. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Obama, George Washington, or Jesus Christ himself - any of these guys would have a hard time beating Trump today


If Trump wins it’s the culmination of the widening chasm between reality and right wing propaganda that began in earnest with Rush, then Fox News, then social media taking over. Then an absolute buffoon to tie it all together, channeling all their rage

We have been through this countless times

You don’t understand what has happened here to get us to this moment in time

As many on here have said - most of us are very pleasantly surprised at Harris’ performance since becoming the nominee. She really has done very well and in normal times would be the obvious choice. But when 40% of the country have been bred to believe any Democrat is a danger to society, you can’t overturn that in months or years

It’s going to take decades to de-program these people - if we are lucky