Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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Pretty surprised to see some polls suggesting Walz won. If it was a boxing match, I’d have said Vance took 9 out of the 12 rounds. Either way, I doubt it does much, but it’s the first time Vance justified his selection imo.


I hope I'm wrong because I dont want that racist misogynist lunatic Trump to prevail, but coming down the track I can see a lot of the uncommitted looking at the ticket and seeing the Trump ticket being a bitter pill they'll swallow. Harris isn't a great attraction - the strategy of keeping her away from interviews is a good one because she's pretty poor. I wonder if she will be seen as ineffective and the continuity candidate, and that both she and Walz look incredibly light weight in comparison to the big personalities of Trump and Vance.

Harris-Walz look poor when you consider some of the tickets the Democrats have had in recent years: Obama-Biden or even Kerry-Edwards. Even Clinton-Kaine look hefty in comparison.
 
Pretty surprised to see some polls suggesting Walz won. If it was a boxing match, I’d have said Vance took 9 out of the 12 rounds. Either way, I doubt it does much, but it’s the first time Vance justified his selection imo.
Yeah I felt the same , certainly a lot more polished that’s for sure . I think interestingly enough reports are the odds moved in trumps favour last night .

Harris was a slight fav and post VP debate it’s a pick’em
 
Harris's dilemma is that Trump is a known quantity and will secure his vote whatever the circumstances; whereas she is still ill-defined...but defining herself might put as many, if not more, people off than if she avoids doing a lot of tv interviews to present herself more fully.

The rejection of a second debate with Trump hurt her chances big time. She was able to make Trump look clumsy in the debate they did have.

Still on a knife edge this one though. Harris and Trump in the swing states have only very small leads over each other and it'll all turn on Harris breaking through as a realistic leader - hard to do when Genocide Joe is still in office making (poor) decisions - and sealing a deal with the undecided's in those swing states....which is why I think the Walz choice of VP has done her no favours, as he looks out of his depth whereas a Newsom would have been a slick presentational choice to offset Vance.
 
Harris's dilemma is that Trump is a known quantity and will secure his vote whatever the circumstances; whereas she is still ill-defined...but defining herself might put as many, if not more, people off than if she avoids doing a lot of tv interviews to present herself more fully.

The rejection of a second debate with Trump hurt her chances big time. She was able to make Trump look clumsy in the debate they did have.

Still on a knife edge this one though. Harris and Trump in the swing states have only very small leads over each other and it'll all turn on Harris breaking through as a realistic leader - hard to do when Genocide Joe is still in office making (poor) decisions - and sealing a deal with the undecided's in those swing states....which is why I think the Walz choice of VP has done her no favours, as he looks out of his depth whereas a Newsom would have been a slick presentational choice to offset Vance.
Say you know nothing about American politics without saying you know nothing about American politics

Newsom certainly has the chutzpah to beat down Vance in a debate of slick snake oil salesmen, where debate style matters more than substance or whether you're saying anything remotely truthful. So Newsom would have beaten Vance at his own game in a debate. Great for our feelings, no doubt.

But VP debates are meaningless in the context of a presidential election, unless you're someone on the order of magnitude as a Sarah Palin.

Walz comes across as the virtual opposite of someone like Vance. And that's good thing in the context of this presidential election.
 
I hope I'm wrong because I dont want that racist misogynist lunatic Trump to prevail, but coming down the track I can see a lot of the uncommitted looking at the ticket and seeing the Trump ticket being a bitter pill they'll swallow. Harris isn't a great attraction - the strategy of keeping her away from interviews is a good one because she's pretty poor. I wonder if she will be seen as ineffective and the continuity candidate, and that both she and Walz look incredibly light weight in comparison to the big personalities of Trump and Vance.

Harris-Walz look poor when you consider some of the tickets the Democrats have had in recent years: Obama-Biden or even Kerry-Edwards. Even Clinton-Kaine look hefty in comparison.
The only thing that matters is how poor Harris-Walz look when you consider who they are running against.

How do you feel they stack up to, using your words, "that racist misogynist lunatic Trump" and a Trump-lite substance-less carnival barker whose only difference is that he comes wrapped up in a Yale venture capital lawyer body with exactly two more years of elected office experience than Trump had in 2016?
 
Say you know nothing about American politics without saying you know nothing about American politics

Newsom certainly has the chutzpah to beat down Vance in a debate of slick snake oil salesmen, where debate style matters more than substance or whether you're saying anything remotely truthful. So Newsom would have beaten Vance at his own game in a debate. Great for our feelings, no doubt.

But VP debates are meaningless in the context of a presidential election, unless you're someone on the order of magnitude as a Sarah Palin.

Walz comes across as the virtual opposite of someone like Vance. And that's good thing in the context of this presidential election.
Walz comes across as evasive. The claims he's made have been ripped apart - how he ever thought he could get away with his fibs is amazing. It speaks to a lack of judgement.

Vance - let's not forget - was there to be torn apart for all the utter bunkum he's been spouting. An open goal waiting to be slotted. But Walz was seduced by the occasion. Where was all the bravado of calling out the 'weird' guys last night? He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights most of the time.

Bad call made by Harris/the Democrats on the VP running mate. Very bad.
 
Walz comes across as evasive. The claims he's made have been ripped apart - how he ever thought he could get away with his fibs is amazing. It speaks to a lack of judgement.

Vance - let's not forget - was there to be torn apart for all the utter bunkum he's been spouting. An open goal waiting to be slotted. But Walz was seduced by the occasion. Where was all the bravado of calling out the 'weird' guys last night? He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights most of the time.

Bad call made by Harris/the Democrats on the VP running mate. Very bad.
You just keep saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Vance is nowhere near an open goal because he's as slick and slimy as they come. I mean he so artfully and confidently made up whatever he wanted b/c that's how he's been trained. Essentially, he is Trump if he had at bare minimum a 3 digit IQ. He's the Republican version of Newsom. Except Newsom has the benefit of being on the right side of most issues.

Now Trump, that's an open goal to be slotted on. Not only is he showing significant signs of mental decline, he was also breathtakingly stupid to begin with. And Biden couldn't slot past him. That's the main reason he's not there any more
 
You just keep saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Vance is nowhere near an open goal because he's as slick and slimy as they come. I mean he so artfully and confidently made up whatever he wanted b/c that's how he's been trained. Essentially, he is Trump if he had at bare minimum a 3 digit IQ. He's the Republican version of Newsom. Except Newsom has the benefit of being on the right side of most issues.

Now Trump, that's an open goal to be slotted on. Not only is he showing significant signs of mental decline, he was also breathtakingly stupid to begin with. And Biden couldn't slot past him. That's the main reason he's not there any more

Whatever mate. There are sound reasons to now conclude that Walz's promotion to VP candidate was a mistake. To say thee aren't is just burying your head in there sand.
The passage I took from your post doesn’t suggest that
Yes, I read it back and it does come across like I claim Harris ducked a second session...but in any case that didn't tally with what I'd stated a little earlier to that about her making Trump clumsy in the debate they did have.

For clarity: it was Trump who ducked out of any second debate.
 
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