Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I'm pointing out that unless you just want an echo chamber then another angle to this debate (and one from another anti-Trump perspective, which mine is) should be respected and not just dismissed as being pro-Trump or 'awkward'. Like it or not, people on the left in this country dont necessarily believe that American liberal-progressives support of this particular candidates (due ultimately to the lack of real political choice which flows from a system that doesn't allow PR) is a complete no brainer.

I can easily see from this vantage point why working class Americans dont automatically fall under the spell of someone like Harris and that some feel the gravitational pull to a racist like Trump.



Yes, of course you're right to feel that way given your personal circumstances. I'd feel like that way too if it were me. But Im not advocating supporting Trump, I'm stating that the American electorate as a whole have a pretty poor choice on offer. Just like us in this country. Pointing that out surely cant be controversial.

Since this is a 2024 POTUS thread, you do come off as someone who is advocating for Trump.

Your “both sides are bad” utopian takes are best served for some political think tank thread

Here in the real world, there is a clear choice that is worse for Americans and the rest of the world, if you’re being honest with yourself

And no amount of playjng devils advocate will change who that choice is

Unless you’re being willfully ignorant

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I dont use the word 'liberal' as a pejorative. That'd be the difference. That's just your reflex action to the word being used in American political discourse.

I'm not 'MAGA' or a 'Trumper'. I want that leather faced racist leading the western world as much as you do. I'm a socialist. And I think that's what your gripe here is with me, tbh.

Lol

OK mate

 

[davek]

Trump made the “deal” with the Afghans, Biden was just left with the mess (which he also handled badly).

I’ll defer to the folks like @PhilM who have studied WW2 but I don’t think the US going very isolationist has a great record for either its own or other countries long term benefit even if you don’t care one whit what happens to the Ukrainians.

Yes, the overseeing of that drawdown was severely criticised for ignoring the breakdown of that deal long before the withdrawal of US forces. The Afghans looking for life under a regime where they could enjoy some of the liberty we do were cut adrift and fed to the crazy foot soldiers of a lunatic theocracy.

 

[BlueTX]

Yes, of course you're right to feel that way given your personal circumstances. I'd feel like that way too if it were me. But Im not advocating supporting Trump, I'm stating that the American electorate as a whole have a pretty poor choice on offer. Just like us in this country. Pointing that out surely cant be controversial.

Controversial? I guess not.

Naive is probably the better word for it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Yes, the overseeing of that drawdown was severely criticised for ignoring the breakdown of that deal long before the withdrawal of US forces. The Afghans looking for life under a regime where they could enjoy some of the liberty we do were cut adrift and fed to the crazy foot soldiers of a lunatic theocracy.

So why are you so eager for the US to abandon the Ukrainians to Putin?

 

[davek]

So why are you so eager for the US to abandon the Ukrainians to Putin?

I'm eager for a deal, not surrender.

 

[Ruairi77]

Since this is a 2024 POTUS thread, you do come off as someone who is advocating for Trump.

Your “both sides are bad” utopian takes are best served for some political think tank thread

Here in the real world, there is a clear choice that is worse for Americans and the rest of the world, if you’re being honest with yourself

And no amount of playjng devils advocate will change who that choice is

Unless you’re being willfully ignorant

I composed a post but deleted it in frustration.
The gist was 'willful ignorance'.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I'm eager for a deal, not surrender.

But the latter is exactly what will happen under Trump.

 

[verreauxi]

Would be a lot easier if a certain someone just came out and said "my brain can't handle a black woman as president of the USA." All this circuitous drivel is getting old.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Controversial? I guess not.

Naive is probably the better word for it.

Bingo

We have a bingo

 

[Damo_1878]

Jesus wept

 

[Rita_Poon]

'DIE-monds'

strewth!

 

[emir]

Trump should win this election convincingly in most of the battleground states, with the exception of Michigan perhaps. The economy from 2017-2020 should give him the additional boost outside of his base in most of these states.

 

[Kurt.]

Trump should win this election convincingly in most of the battleground states, with the exception of Michigan perhaps. The economy from 2017-2020 should give him the additional boost outside of his base in most of these states.

HERE HE IS !!!!!!

 

[Wizard]

Oh ffs