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Re: red flag laws, “You’ve got someone else judging whether or not someone is fit to have a gun.” Yeah Nikki, just like we don’t just let anyone behind the wheel of a car and hurt themselves and others that way. Some people aren’t fit to drive and some people aren’t fit to have guns. The pro gun logic is moronic.
We pretty much do let anyone behind the wheel of a car. Once you earn a license, it can only be removed for cause in most states. One is not difficult to get, unless you have very significant visual or mental impairment that examinations can identify. We let people drive at a younger age than we permit them to own property.

We do this because it's difficult, bordering on impossible, to function without a car in much of America. The right's argument is that a gun is just as fundamental a need. Just like with driving, what we find empirically is that as state regulation of licensure and behavior decreases, fatalities and injuries increase.

Like you, I would prefer to see more regulation of these activities, rather than less. If you don't have a gun, and I don't have a gun, we can't shoot one another or ourselves. The right's fears that someone else might illegally possess a gun are not unfounded, but even the Old West heavily regulated firearm possession. Most everyone owned a gun, but in many places people were expected to check it with the sheriff when entering town, and pick it back up when they left.

A libertarian approach like Haley's to an issue where there is a clear and demonstrable externality is both short-sighted and selfish. There's a hundred years of theory and results that prove her wrong.
 
We pretty much do let anyone behind the wheel of a car. Once you earn a license, it can only be removed for cause in most states. One is not difficult to get, unless you have very significant visual or mental impairment that examinations can identify. We let people drive at a younger age than we permit them to own property.

We do this because it's difficult, bordering on impossible, to function without a car in much of America. The right's argument is that a gun is just as fundamental a need. Just like with driving, what we find empirically is that as state regulation of licensure and behavior decreases, fatalities and injuries increase.

Like you, I would prefer to see more regulation of these activities, rather than less. If you don't have a gun, and I don't have a gun, we can't shoot one another or ourselves. The right's fears that someone else might illegally possess a gun are not unfounded, but even the Old West heavily regulated firearm possession. Most everyone owned a gun, but in many places people were expected to check it with the sheriff when entering town, and pick it back up when they left.

A libertarian approach like Haley's to an issue where there is a clear and demonstrable externality is both short-sighted and selfish. There's a hundred years of theory and results that prove her wrong.
If you fail your drivers test you don’t get a license. If you don’t pass the renewal eye exam you lose your license. If you’re stopped for DUI, you lose your license (those penalties should be stronger as well). It’s just a silly argument to say that anyone should be able to have a gun without some testing and then some ongoing checks/regulation to determine if you’re still fit to do so.
 
If you fail your drivers test you don’t get a license. If you don’t pass the renewal eye exam you lose your license. If you’re stopped for DUI, you lose your license (those penalties should be stronger as well). It’s just a silly argument to say that anyone should be able to have a gun without some testing and then some ongoing checks/regulation to determine if you’re still fit to do so.
These are all very low bars to jump over, though. You're about twice as likely to die from a fatality on the roads than homicide by firearm. We should be doing more on both of these fronts than we currently do. IMO, being as laissez faire as we are about the one helps the right push the other agenda.

We have highways and interstates because Pershing and Eisenhower wanted them for defense. However, GM, Ford and others in the industry spent a ton of time and money lobbying for a real federal freeway system before Eisenhower signed off on the deal. The results changed America from an urban economy built around rails to a suburban one where an automobile is a near necessity, as well as one where auto fatalities are two to four times as high as they are in comparable European countries.

This provided the gun manufacturers the blueprint they are trying to execute today, where everyone is more or less compelled to pack heat.
 
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