Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Throw in prison / Going to prison. It's all a bit potayto / potahto really isn't it?

Nuance doesn't strike me to be an important part of the milieux of current US politics.

No. It's not. "Throwing in prison" implies it's political in nature, or someone has an axe to grind. Which is what the right wing media want us to believe. And you feed into it with your words.

You are correct nuance no longer exists. Again, that's a right wing media "thing."

Therefore I feel the need to correct you on your use of the term "throw in prison." That sounds like the way Fox News and Newsmax would describe it

 

[davek]

Yes Dave, I do think there is a chance that Newsom would decline to stand in a contested convention.

He, unlike you, would appreciate that a white male leapfrogging over the first black female VP to grap the candicacy would have significant electoral risks.

But if this is an 'existential moment' in US politics then all that is sidelined, surely?

In any case, Harris would be a more divisive figure than Newsom. That has to be taken into consideration.

I do agree that the issue of the US being one of the few western governments now to have never had a woman at the helm needs to be resolved...just as a woman leader should be resolved in the British 'Labour' Party - a scandal in and of itself.

 

[Yarrgh]

Also, hold on to your hats.
At about 10 am, I've a feeling SCOTUS will pretty much grant Trump immunity.

The Scrotus got it.

 

[davek]

No. It's not. "Throwing in prison" implies it's political in nature, or someone has an axe to grind. Which is what the right wing media want us to believe. And you feed into it with your words.

You are correct nuance no longer exists. Again, that's a right wing media "thing."

Therefore I feel the need to correct you on your use of the term "throw in prison." That sounds like the way Fox News and Newsmax would describe it

Well, he should have been jailed for his part in the insurrection, so it would be just whatever the form of words used to describe his conveyance there.

 

[Ruairi77]

Throw in prison / Going to prison. It's all a bit potayto / potahto really isn't it?

Nuance doesn't strike me to be an important part of the milieux of current US politics.

which is why you think Newsom might be a shoe in over Harris.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

No one is above the law!

And this includes prosecutors.

 

[Ruairi77]

aaaand Trump has immunity

 

[Harryflashman]

aaaand Trump has immunity

Incredible

 

[LinekersLegs]

But if this is an 'existential moment' in US politics then all that is sidelined, surely?

In any case, Harris would be a more divisive figure than Newsom. That has to be taken into consideration.

I do agree that the issue of the US being one of the few western governments now to have never had a woman at the helm needs to be resolved...just as a woman leader should be resolved in the British 'Labour' Party - a scandal in and of itself.

Newsom does I think genuinely believe it is an existential moment, another reason why I think he might not stand if the situation came up.

You keep on stating your personal opinions as if they are fact. Clearly to you Harris would be more divisive figure but I am not sure that applies to the general population.

Look at the popularity polling that @verreauxi posted - Harris is at net -7 but Newsom is at -9 and (unlike Harris) there is a lot of the population that still don’t know much about him even before he potentially tries to stab the first black woman VP in the back.

 

[davek]

which is why you think Newsom might be a shoe in over Harris.

Polling suggests he'd do as well as her now. With a major campaign he could race against Trump and be positioned as the insurgent candidate. Harris is mired in a lot of the culture wars.

 

[LinekersLegs]

aaaand Trump has immunity

Not a surprise but still…..

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

But if this is an 'existential moment' in US politics then all that is sidelined, surely?

In any case, Harris would be a more divisive figure than Newsom. That has to be taken into consideration.

I do agree that the issue of the US being one of the few western governments now to have never had a woman at the helm needs to be resolved...just as a woman leader should be resolved in the British 'Labour' Party - a scandal in and of itself.

The "existential moment" is only important in that Trump loses.

Whoever the winner is on the other side is irrelevant in this context.

Biden and the Democratic party may still believe he has the best shot at defeating Trump, due to the litany of reasons we've debated on this thread post-debate. They might be wrong on that, but they very well could be right.

 

[davek]

Newsom does I think genuinely believe it is an existential moment, another reason why I think he might not stand if the situation came up.

You keep on stating your personal opinions as if they are fact. Clearly to you Harris would be more divisive figure but I am not sure that applies to the general population.

Look at the popularity polling that @verreauxi posted - Harris is at net -7 but Newsom is at -9 and (unlike Harris) there is a lot of the population that still don’t know much about him even before he potentially tries to stab the first black woman VP in the back.

I dont see that as a negative, tbh.

As for stating personal opinions as facts: I dont. I just state my opinion as my take on matters. Others can and do disagree.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Polling suggests he'd do as well as her now. With a major campaign he could race against Trump and be positioned as the insurgent candidate. Harris is mired in a lot of the culture wars.

In what way is Harris mired a lot of the culture wars?

She's not a progressive. She would never be someone described as a culture warrior

 

[LinekersLegs]