Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[davek]

@davek Just to add to this. the following piece was written in 2019 and is alarmingly prophetic, Trump royally effed up:


edit - lord knows what the lines are about

In the run-up to the Israeli elections, Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu took a series of irresponsible steps to help the Israeli prime minister’s electoral prospects: Trump announced support for Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, Netanyahu said he would annex parts of the West Bank and claimed he had US support, and Trump designated Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization, a move for which Netanyahu immediately took credit.

Though Netanyahu may be the apparent winner of the Israeli election, Trump and Netanyahu should be careful what they wish for. While pleasing their rightwing supporters, the two leaders are doing severe damage to the interests of both countries.

Trump and Netanyahu have forged an overtly political relationship. Even before the most recent election, Trump had taken unprecedented steps that support Netanyahu’s agenda, from moving the US embassy to Jerusalem to cutting all US funding for the United Nations agency that supports Palestinians to closing the Palestinian office in Washington DC
Netanyahu takes the blank check from Trump and cashes it in for more extreme policies. Marking a new level of recklessness in a pre-election gambit to get more rightwing votes, Netanyahu suggested that he would annex parts of the West Bank, an outrageous move that would destroy the progress Israelis and Palestinians have made over the decades, risk violence and garner widespread international condemnation.

If in the past US policy has been criticized for being one-sided in favor of Israel, Trump has abandoned of any semblance of even-handedness. And if previous Israeli governments have preserved space to pursue peace with the Palestinians, Netanyahu is implementing policies that could make a two-state solution all but impossible.

If these trends continue, everyone will suffer.

The Palestinian people will bear the brunt of the pain. With the United States cutting off its funding for the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) – which provides Palestinian refugees with healthcare, education, and food – countless Palestinians could be hurt.
Israel will be less safe. Pulling funding from the Palestinian Authority will disrupt counter-terrorism cooperation with Palestinian security services. That’s why many Israelis believe the move endangers Israeli security, as the retired Israel defense forces lieutenant colonel Peter Lerner made clear: “These abrupt steps will only empower the radicals … hardballing the Palestinian
hardballing the Palestinian is likely to blow up on Israel’s doorstep.”
Israeli democracy will continue eroding. The Israeli government discriminates against Arab Israelis, evidenced by a new measure giving Jews special status under the law. Members of Netanyahu’s party took cameras into polling places in Arab neighborhoods to intimidate voters during this week’s elections. All of this is in addition to Israel’s repression of millions of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. The undermining of Israel’s democratic norms will affect its moral stature and its relationships with countries that support the country not only as the homeland of the Jewish people and a strategic partner but also as a democracy.

The US-Israel relationship will deteriorate. The embrace between rightwing counterparts in the United States and the rightwing Israeli government is driving the US-Israel relationship into an unsustainable place. The more the United States embraces extreme Israeli policies, the more Americans will refuse to back Israel as long as it denies rights to Palestinians, eschews diplomacy, and undermines the very nature of Israeli democracy.

To the world, America will look more like a villain. Trump’s disregard for Palestinian interests is yet another reaffirmation for many that Trump’s America is racist; it will further alienate America from global partners and publics.

Chances for a two-state solution will become even more remote. While the prospects for peace right now are very low – and the Palestinians’ lack of leadership and Hamas’s violence and repression in Gaza deserve significant blame – Trump and Netanyahu are creating more roadblocks to peace while ensuring the Palestinians stay away from the negotiating table. Jared Kushner might as well scrap whatever peace plan he’s working on

For America to play a constructive role in supporting peace, a reasonable discussion over US policy is necessary. But Trump is poisoning the debate in the United States by politicizing the relationship and stoking antisemitism. Out of one side of his mouth, Trump claims he is a champion of Israel – which he defines as supporting Netanyahu’s agenda and siding with Israel against its neighbors in disputes – while accusing Democrats of being “anti-Israel” and “anti-Jewish”. Out of the other side of his mouth, Trump gives license to white supremacists and fuels antisemitism.

America’s debate over Israel needs a serious realignment. It is possible to be “pro-Israel” and not slavishly support everything Netanyahu wants. It is possible to be critical of Israeli policies without succumbing to demonization that spills over into outright antisemitism. And it is certainly possible to be both “pro-Israeli” and “pro-Palestinian”.

Furthermore, US impartiality is not necessary for the US to support diplomacy. The special US relationship with Israel provides the United States with the unique ability to have difficult conversations about the need for Israel to compromise in pursuit of peace. Only this kind of friend can play a key brokering role in peace talks.

You're throwing Trump v Biden at me as if it's a compare and contrast exercise.

Genocide is happening in Gaza on Biden's watch.

That's it. Period.

Bark at the moon all you want but it doesn't make it not so.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

You're throwing Trump v Biden at me as if it's a compare and contrast exercise.

Genocide is happening in Gaza on Biden's watch.

That's it. Period.

Bark at the moon all you want but it doesn't make it not so.

No, I am telling you that Trump gave Bibi the green light to do as he pleased as he did Putin. Regardless of how badly Biden is dealing with trumps legacy, Trump is still light years ahead on the blame game here

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

lol lol lol

Fact, mate.

 

[Ruairi77]

You're throwing Trump v Biden at me as if it's a compare and contrast exercise.

Genocide is happening in Gaza on Biden's watch.

That's it. Period.

Bark at the moon all you want but it doesn't make it not so.

I think people are just curious, given the thread title and everything that's happening in the ME, how you'd vote if you had a vote.
I'm in a state that wont matter so I'm honestly not sure if I'll vote for Biden or abstain in protest. (I'll prob vote for Biden).
If I'm in a swing state I 100% vote for Biden. I might even phonebank for him.

 

[davek]

No, I am telling you that Trump gave Bibi the green light to do as he pleased as he did Putin. Regardless of how badly Biden is dealing with trumps legacy, Trump is still light years ahead on the blame game here

I'm not arsed about a hierarchy of blame. Successive Democratic presidents have allowed the Israeli apartheid state to crack on doing wtf they like in Gaza and the West Bank for decades and they've paid lip service only to the establishment of the two state solution.

Democrats and Republican foreign policy: two cheeks of the same arse, as Galloway might say.

 

[davek]

I think people are just curious, given the thread title and everything that's happening in the ME, how you'd vote if you had a vote.
I'm in a state that wont matter so I'm honestly not sure if I'll vote for Biden or abstain in protest. (I'll prob vote for Biden).
If I'm in a swing state I 100% vote for Biden. I might even phonebank for him.

I'd abstain, unless there was an independent candidate I could stomach voting for.

There's no binary choose. You have options. Back either Biden or Trump and you're implicated in this crime against humanity.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I'm not arsed about a hierarchy of blame. Successive Democratic presidents have allowed the Israeli apartheid state to crack on doing wtf they like in Gaza and the West Bank for decades and they've paid lip service only to the establishment of the two state solution.

Democrats and Republican foreign policy: two cheeks of the same arse, as Galloway might say.

You have compltely ignored (I knew you would) the piece I posted an hour ago detailing how TRUMP was the major instigator in Bibi and his actions..
Why on earth do you suck him off so hard?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I'd abstain, unless there was an independent candidate I could stomach voting for.

There's no binary choose. You have options. Back either Biden or Trump and you're implicated in this crime against humanity.

Are you that stupid that you cannot understand that, by abstaining you will still get the same result? You will still end up with Biden or te even worse Trump. Their next term will not just be about Palestine you know?? Women's rights and general foreign policy spring to mind among a million other things (the environment) that trump will absolutely destroy.

Fact is, you know all this but loooove to play this pathetic game on every forum

 

[degsy]

No, I am telling you that Trump gave Bibi the green light to do as he pleased as he did Putin. Regardless of how badly Biden is dealing with trumps legacy, Trump is still light years ahead on the blame game here

Nevermind Trump Vs Biden
I think there might be a mass photo finish involving everybody back to Balfour...and probably beyond

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Nevermind Trump Vs Biden
I think there might be a mass photo finish involving everybody back to Balfour...and probably beyond

100% however, it is what trump did in and around 2019 that effects this current situation most. He is so stupid that he gets played by psychos and thinks they are his pals.

 

[Rita_Poon]

lol lol lol

 

[Ruairi77]

I'd abstain, unless there was an independent candidate I could stomach voting for.

There's no binary choose. You have options. Back either Biden or Trump and you're implicated in this crime against humanity.

In a swing state, if you abstain or vote 3rd party, it's a vote for Trump. And that would mean the end of Palestine and likely a far more deadly regional war.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

You're throwing Trump v Biden at me as if it's a compare and contrast exercise.

Genocide is happening in Gaza on Biden's watch.

That's it. Period.

Bark at the moon all you want but it doesn't make it not so.

Then post about it in the Israel thread. Or Joe Biden - POTUS

This is a thread about the 2024 POTUS race

And apparently you'd abstain. How quaint

So really, you shouldn't be posting in this thread at all

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Any insights in the US as to updates on developments on this ?

 

[Martin Alvito]

In a swing state, if you abstain or vote 3rd party, it's a vote for Trump. And that would mean the end of Palestine and likely a far more deadly regional war.

The same argument has been made in the Labour thread. The logic of strategic voting isn't computing.