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So who are all the Trump supporters on here that merit 24,000 posts and counting then???
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So who are all the Trump supporters on here that merit 24,000 posts and counting then???
So are you beginning to subscribe to my “older women are a key block to watch” and “can beat Trump will be a more motivating factor than the policies/ideology” theories - you are even quoting similar anecdotal data
I think the debates are going to be interesting to watch. I believe Biden is coasting a bit on his “Obama VP” reputation and I expect there will be a bit of a re-evaluation of some of his individual weaknesses (and perhaps some new ones revealed) during those.
Sorry, not sure what you're talking about?
I'd vote for Biden over Trump but I'd vote for my bed side lamp over Trump.
Everyone knows there's issues with Biden, O'Rourke, Buttigeg. in fact all the democratic candidates have red flags, that's the nature of the beast.
I'd vote for your bed side lamp over Trump as well.
BED SIDE LAMP 2020 'a light in the darkness'
With a campaign logo of a light bulb...
I know this is tangential to the primary but if Wohl gets indicted for trying to sabotage Buttigieg that would be at least one concrete positive of Mayor Pete’s run.
Media Urged Not To Release Names Of Any More Presidential Candidates In Effort To Prevent Copycats
WASHINGTON—Warning that the promise of publicity and notoriety is often exactly what motivates a run for the White House in the first place, media ethics groups called on news outlets Thursday to stop releasing the names of presidential candidates, part of an effort to stem the tide of copycats...
politics.theonion.com
“When a person launches a bid for president and then receives widespread media coverage, it only inspires other unstable individuals out there to do the exact same thing,” said media ethicist Payton Howard, who recommended reporters continue to cover announcements of candidacy when they have news value, but avoid naming the person campaigning for the presidency.
“These announcements have been happening nearly every week, often accompanied by some sort of policy proposal that has been written in an attempt to justify the action. But when those ideas get repeated in the media, they can inspire a whole new crop of imitators who seek the attention that comes from a presidential campaign. It is irresponsible to make celebrities out of these people. They are clearly very sick.”
At press time, it appeared the new media strategy failed when former New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu announced he was running for presiden
Iirc this is Biden’s third flip on whether he supports the Hyde Amendment within a month.
www.bloomberg.com
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden came out Thursday against the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funds for abortion, just a day after affirming his support and drawing fierce criticism from rivals and progressive activists.
Biden, speaking at a Democratic National Committee event in Atlanta on Thursday evening, said he no longer supports the 1976 provision. “I can’t justify leaving millions of women without access to care they need and the ability to exercise their constitutionally protected right.” Biden said. “Times have changed.”
On Wednesday, his campaign said in a statement that the former vice president was sticking with his long-standing support of the Hyde Amendment, which has been routinely added to government funding bills and blocks federal medical programs from paying for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the woman.
Biden, in Reversal, Says He Supports Federal Money for Abortions
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden came out Thursday against the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funds for abortion, just a day after affirming his support and drawing fierce criticism from rivals and progressive activists.
www.bloomberg.com
Biden, speaking at a Democratic National Committee event in Atlanta on Thursday evening, said he no longer supports the 1976 provision. “I can’t justify leaving millions of women without access to care they need and the ability to exercise their constitutionally protected right.” Biden said. “Times have changed.”
On Wednesday, his campaign said in a statement that the former vice president was sticking with his long-standing support of the Hyde Amendment, which has been routinely added to government funding bills and blocks federal medical programs from paying for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the woman.
Looks like warren has Biden on the back foot. She was very strong on this last night.Iirc this is Biden’s third flip on whether he supports the Hyde Amendment within a month.
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden came out Thursday against the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funds for abortion, just a day after affirming his support and drawing fierce criticism from rivals and progressive activists.Biden, in Reversal, Says He Supports Federal Money for Abortions
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden came out Thursday against the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funds for abortion, just a day after affirming his support and drawing fierce criticism from rivals and progressive activists.
Biden, speaking at a Democratic National Committee event in Atlanta on Thursday evening, said he no longer supports the 1976 provision. “I can’t justify leaving millions of women without access to care they need and the ability to exercise their constitutionally protected right.” Biden said. “Times have changed.”
On Wednesday, his campaign said in a statement that the former vice president was sticking with his long-standing support of the Hyde Amendment, which has been routinely added to government funding bills and blocks federal medical programs from paying for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the woman.
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Iirc this is Biden’s third flip on whether he supports the Hyde Amendment within a month.
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden came out Thursday against the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funds for abortion, just a day after affirming his support and drawing fierce criticism from rivals and progressive activists.Biden, in Reversal, Says He Supports Federal Money for Abortions
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden came out Thursday against the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funds for abortion, just a day after affirming his support and drawing fierce criticism from rivals and progressive activists.
Biden, speaking at a Democratic National Committee event in Atlanta on Thursday evening, said he no longer supports the 1976 provision. “I can’t justify leaving millions of women without access to care they need and the ability to exercise their constitutionally protected right.” Biden said. “Times have changed.”
On Wednesday, his campaign said in a statement that the former vice president was sticking with his long-standing support of the Hyde Amendment, which has been routinely added to government funding bills and blocks federal medical programs from paying for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the woman.
Sorry, haven't you heard? Discussion of the leading candidate in almost every poll so far is irrelevant and inappropriate here, a thread specifically about the Democratic Primary, because none of the fewer than five people who regularly post about it on Everton football forum personally prefers him.
Duh...
I'm not sure I've ever stated anything to the contrary?
Old posh white ladies are important in the Democratic Party, but they are hardly the only constituency that matters. And electability is a consideration in every primary - or, more accurately, "perceived electability".
The trouble with old posh white ladies however is that in addition to generally bad politics, they also tend to have very poor perceptions of 'electability', as we might recall from such elections as "the one that Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump".
In fact, the only time the Democratic Party has had any real national success in the past twenty years is when a coalition of young people, progressives, and ethnic minorities teamed up to ignore the electability pleas of old posh white ladies, and nominated Barack Obama instead.
To believe that Joe Biden represents the most electable Democrat is to take at face value his claim that Donald Trump is no more than a strange and unfortunate mistake that happened for no real reason other than the mysterious whims of the heavens, and that what struggling families crave more than anything else is a return to 7 November 2016, when America was already great because the President was somebody who knew what food to serve sports teams, or how to stage a photo-op in a tractor in the appropriate manner.
This is not a bet that anybody should feel comfortable placing.
you are even quoting similar anecdotal data
Touché. I'm still right though
I think you're right. Biden is a very weak candidate, with a track record of having been wrong on just about every important issue since he came to power. His own staff know this, which is why they are doing everything they can to limit his exposure. And, exactly like Trump, he has nothing to offer but tawdry nostalgia, albeit of a different if no less delusional flavour.
It would not be at all surprising if he plummeted after a weak debate performance. His purported 'electability' has not been subject to any serious scrutiny, and it is still very early in the campaign. Few people are paying attention yet. To a large extent, Biden leads in the polls because everybody knows that the media is talking about the fact that he leads in the polls. He is also performing far worse in Iowa (tied with Sanders, according to the latest) and New Hampshire (where he trails Bernie in the most thorough recent poll) than he is nationally, and if he doesn't win those then his electability claim - his only political asset - ends then and there. Keep in mind, for instance, that Obama polled at 3% nationally among African-Americans before he won Iowa, whereupon their support for him overnight became all but unanimous. The reverse can happen just as quickly.
On the other hand, Biden could well end up winning this thing. Democrats are certainly not above putting terrible people like him in power.
And to be sure, setting aside 'electability', perceived and otherwise, there is little doubt that a Biden Presidency, in the not at all certain event that he defeats Trump, would be a disaster for the United States and the rest of the planet.
The day he wins the nomination is the day that every single idea that Elizabeth Warren has ever had dies stillborn - which is why her informed supporters (as opposed to those who like her in the manner of their favourite Love Island candidate) will be doing everything in their power to stop Biden while there is still a chance, rather than invoking the Democrat equivalent of the "but her emails!" defence and excusing him on the grounds that he is less horrendous than Donald Trump, as though that doesn't go without saying.
If Biden wins then it is very likely that just about Trump policy becomes permanent. The wars in Yemen and Afghanistan drag on, the tax cuts for billionaires remain, environmental regulations stay repealed, the Paris commitments are no less ignored, and the fleeting hopes of doing something meaningful about climate change die on the vine. Labour continues to wither, corporate consolidation marches on, Warren's CFPB is still toothless, drug prices and health insurance premiums remain exorbitant, student debt expands, housing and childcare costs keep soaring, the healthcare horror stories which you all love using as a club to bash Trump with continue apace, and there will likely be no more than cosmetic modifications at the border.
Frankly, I'm not sure how many identitarian Democrats will even notice (and if anyone suggests that the new governing party might share responsibility, a Pavlovian chorus of "BUT DONALD TRUMP!!!" will no doubt follow).
Politics these days is mostly abstract to many of those who are most engaged with it. The consequences of politics for everyday people are very much secondary; what motivates much of the discussion instead is tribal identity and moral preening, such that any criticism of one's team feels personal, and emotionally triggering.
I suspect many of those who identify emotionally with the Democrats - not to name names
- will actually find themselves oddly more comfortable with Trump in the White House; after all, he's not actually done anything yet that affects them personally, and with him there, one's personal virtue, and ability to be Right About Things on the Internet, has never felt easier or more certain.But if Biden wins, these same people will feel themselves strangely accountable for issues on which, whilst in opposition, they could be certain they stood on the right side of history, without ever actually needing to solve. Likewise, they will find themselves compelled to react defensively to a Biden government's inevitable failures, and regard criticism of even a man as thoroughly corrupt and cynical as he is to be a bewildering and inexplicable personal attack.
I wasn't implying that discussing Biden as a candidate was irrelevant or inappropriate. You just seemed to be making a point that everyone already got. It would have made sense if someone was on here defending Biden.
It was different to your posts on Beto and Pete, which were interesting even if I partly disagree.
Also, why not just reply to my post rather than sniping in a reply to another poster?
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