BirkenheadBlue
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Fair enough, disagree pretty strongly, but ok
There's certainly very little if any data to say that Biden (or really either of the other two you mention) would be "eaten" by Trump.
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There's certainly very little if any data to say that Biden (or really either of the other two you mention) would be "eaten" by Trump.
BirkenheadBlue
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Oh, and also, to say that Warren is anything like Clinton in anything other than gender... just isn't true.
How long do you think Warren has been in politics?
Also, none of the democratic candidates need to win over Trump voters. They just need some of the voters who turned out for Obama but not Clinton to turn out again. Given what happened in the mid-terms, Trump wont have it easy against anyone.
You're missing my point. It's the perception, not the reality. That's the politics we're in now. It took me 10 seconds to find this.
That will be the attack line on her, whether justified or not.
Personally, I think she's an outstanding candidate given the field - but what I think doesn't matter; it's what I think is electable which I'm talking about. Her 'Native American' thing makes her easy to attack as a liar, her background makes it easy to attack her as 'elite'. Neither may be true - but it doesn't matter whether it is or not.
fair point(s)
Yea, if she is nominated, it's up to her to overcome the crap Trump throws at her. However, unlike 2016, Trumps campaign will be a known quantity. Quips like Clinton's 'deplorables' should be eradicated.
Like I said, she just needs to create a buzz, win over some independents and get a high Dem turnout.
For what it's worth, I think the race is Bidens to lose. and for me, he represents Trumps best hope of winning as he won't create any excitement. He'll be Clinton all over again. (still think he'll beat Trump tho)
neil999
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thats how she will be painted and the thickos will believe it, she even looks a bit like her...
BirkenheadBlue
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The people who will see it like that were never “gettable” anyway
yea, been making this point for a few pages now.
neil999
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fair point
Would be great if the entire Democratic field made the war in Yemen a more visible issue as not sure most of the country even know about it
abelard
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They are.
But not with some insipid elite centrist with nothing to say, like Buttigieg or worse still, Beto.
Everything about them, before they have even opened their mouths, signals contempt.
Ordinary people do not think Sanders' proposals are extreme (on the rare occasions when they get to hear what they actually are).
They assume Sanders is extreme because there are millions of dollars invested in telling them this, every single day.
Elites, from both parties, do think he is extreme, because if he won, it would cost them money, but more importantly, because he (and especially, the concept of mass political engagement that he represents) challenges their political, intellectual, and moral authority.
If Sanders ran against Trump and lost (which, to be sure, is very unlikely), it would be because Democrats, and not Republicans, failed to turn out for him.
If he did win, the Democrats would be infinitely more conniving and vicious in seeking to destroy him than the Republicans, in exactly the manner (albeit for different reasons) that they were with Jimmy Carter.
Setting aside how his own party would react, he is nonetheless probably the best chance we will have in decades, and maybe ever, of winning back disaffected suffering people in places like West Virginia, which for decades voted Democrat every single time, but which abandoned the party when leaders like Joe Biden and Bill Clinton abandoned them. We are well on the way to losing Ohio, with far more votes, forever, for the same reasons.
When we say that people who voted for Trump are not 'gettable', what we are in effect saying is that we have given up on the political future of the country altogether, because nothing, from Klobuchar's rote babbling about 'means tested marginal tax credits' or whatever, to Warren's vastly more ambitious (and appropriate) regulatory reforms, is even worth discussing so long as Mitch McConnell controls the Senate.
Winning the real transformational power required to meaningfully reform the country and ensure something like Donald Trump or worse, Mitch McConnell, never happens again, does not sound like a dinner party of comfortable well-educated coastal urbanites (and I am not excluding myself here) preening about how much cleverer they are, and how the other side is too dumb to know up from down and thus deserves every misery it gets.
It sounds like this:
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abelard
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To be fair, one of them did sponsor a resolution to stop the war ; )
I feel embarrassed for that earnest, dutiful Washington Post reader out there, who actually believes Biden would lift a finger against the Saudis.
At this point it doesn’t really matter if iden would or wouldn’t - 2020 is too far away to make much of a difference for the people of Yemen as they desperately need action now. Which why I’d like all the candidates to press this issue both on the campaign trail and in Congress.To be fair, one of them did sponsor a resolution to stop the war ; )
I feel embarrassed for that earnest, dutiful Washington Post reader out there, who actually believes Biden would lift a finger against the Saudis.
lol I love Kamela’s face in this clip
They are.
But not with some insipid elite centrist with nothing to say, like Buttigieg or worse still, Beto.
Everything about them, before they have even opened their mouths, signals contempt.
Ordinary people do not think Sanders' proposals are extreme (on the rare occasions when they get to hear what they actually are).
They assume Sanders is extreme because there are millions of dollars invested in telling them this, every single day.
Elites, from both parties, do think he is extreme, because if he won, it would cost them money, but more importantly, because he (and especially, the concept of mass political engagement that he represents) challenges their political, intellectual, and moral authority.
If Sanders ran against Trump and lost (which, to be sure, is very unlikely), it would be because Democrats, and not Republicans, failed to turn out for him.
If he did win, the Democrats would be infinitely more conniving and vicious in seeking to destroy him than the Republicans, in exactly the manner (albeit for different reasons) that they were with Jimmy Carter.
Setting aside how his own party would react, he is nonetheless probably the best chance we will have in decades, and maybe ever, of winning back disaffected suffering people in places like West Virginia, which for decades voted Democrat every single time, but which abandoned the party when leaders like Joe Biden and Bill Clinton abandoned them. We are well on the way to losing Ohio, with far more votes, forever, for the same reasons.
When we say that people who voted for Trump are not 'gettable', what we are in effect saying is that we have given up on the political future of the country altogether, because nothing, from Klobuchar's rote babbling about 'means tested marginal tax credits' or whatever, to Warren's vastly more ambitious (and appropriate) regulatory reforms, is even worth discussing so long as Mitch McConnell controls the Senate.
Winning the real transformational power required to meaningfully reform the country and ensure something like Donald Trump or worse, Mitch McConnell, never happens again, does not sound like a dinner party of comfortable well-educated coastal urbanites (and I am not excluding myself here) preening about how much cleverer they are, and how the other side is too dumb to know up from down and thus deserves every misery it gets.
It sounds like this:
That can't be a real pool. Where did you get that?
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