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Toffeeslam said:
Beto O’Rourke looks an interesting proposition, he could be a real dark horse in the run in.

I still think Sanders would be the most credible threat to Trump though
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I don't think Sanders will get anywhere. I think he got his boost from his die hard followers when he announced but I really cant see him doing well. I dont know anyone who voted for him last time who's planning on voting for him again. There's other better progressive options.
Don't get me wrong, we should be grateful that he put so many policies in the spotlight but by the time the primaries roll round he'll be poling fourth or fifth. Independents don't want to replace one extremest with what they perceive as another.
By the time the primaries roll round he'll be polling behind Biden, O'Rourke, Harris, Buttigieg and possibly Warren.
 
man, Biden is polling really well. And a bunch of my friends who went for Sanders last time will vote for him. The reasoning being 'it's time for an adult in the room'.
I just see a lot of red flags running an old moderate establishment Democrat. He's kind of everything Clinton was without energizing the female vote.
The Democrats need to generate buzz to win. I cant see the 77 year old Biden doing that.
 
I don’t know much about him but I’ve been watching some videos of Andrew Yang and he seems pretty sound, seems really focussed on UBI and addressing the issues that increased automation and AI will have on millions of Americans in the next few years. He’s for free Medicare as well. Not sure what his views on foreign policy are though but I get the feeling foreign policy isn’t such a big issue with American voters at the moment,
 
longers said:
I don’t know much about him but I’ve been watching some videos of Andrew Yang and he seems pretty sound, seems really focussed on UBI and addressing the issues that increased automation and AI will have on millions of Americans in the next few years. He’s for free Medicare as well. Not sure what his views on foreign policy are though but I get the feeling foreign policy isn’t such a big issue with American voters at the moment,
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Andrew Yang reminds me of that scene in Back to the Future when Michael J Fox goes crazy on the electric guitar and says "you're not ready for that but your kids are gonna love it"
 
Ruairi77 said:
man, Biden is polling really well.
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It is at least a year too early to start paying attention to polls. At this point, they are barely more than measure of name recognition, which is why Sanders and Biden are ahead.

Biden is not going to win. He has absolutely nothing to say, and not the faintest idea how to help the tens of millions of people in the United States struggling to live paycheque to paycheque. He never has, because representing people has never been his function; he's a lifelong glorified bagman for the Delaware tax haven.

It will be over for him the minute he starts opening his mouth (just like it was for Lieberman in 2004, who also started with a huge lead in the polls)

Ruairi77 said:
And a bunch of my friends who went for Sanders last time will vote for him. The reasoning being 'it's time for an adult in the room'.
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Good grief, that's depressing.

Ten years to contain climate apocalypse, and people still approach politics like they are voting for American Idol.

Tempting just to settle for nihilism and start investing in fresh water futures, if ^that's^ still where we're at intellectually...
 
Ruairi77 said:
man, Biden is polling really well. And a bunch of my friends who went for Sanders last time will vote for him. The reasoning being 'it's time for an adult in the room'.
I just see a lot of red flags running an old moderate establishment Democrat. He's kind of everything Clinton was without energizing the female vote.
The Democrats need to generate buzz to win. I cant see the 77 year old Biden doing that.
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I tend to think Biden will fall away as things progress - though hey, he could always name Obama as his VP candidate and he'd win roughly 65 States vs Trump lol (notwithstanding some quite interesting and unclear constitutional questions)
 
abelard said:
Good grief, that's depressing.

Ten years to contain climate apocalypse, and people still approach politics like they are voting for American Idol.

Tempting just to settle for nihilism and start investing in fresh water futures, if ^that's^ still where we're at intellectually...
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After living with Trump on a daily basis for what seems like an eternity, I can see why they have this opinion. They, like me, are raising young families and just want stability, a POTUS that doesnt make the news every hour of every day.
I definitely understand wanting to vote for Biden and if he wins the primary, I'll vote for him.
I just think he's a risk given the need for a big turn out at the GE.
 
Ruairi77 said:
They, like me, are raising young families and just want stability, a POTUS that doesnt make the news every hour of every day.
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About that....
Former Nevada lawmaker accuses Biden of inappropriate kiss

Joe Biden's #MeToo problem

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Just because MSNBC or whatever tells us that somebody is 'moderate' and 'mature' and 'a safe pair of hands' and 'the adult in the room', doesn't make it so.

Should Biden win election, the possibility of repealing the billionaires' tax cuts, or restoring environmental standards, or addressing Obamacare's systematic failures, or re-regulating finance is nil. That would suddenly be 'radical' and 'irresponsible'. We would need a 'mature' and 'pragmatic' approach, which in practice consists of token culture-war nibbles for the #resistance, and proclaiming that America is otherwise Already Great, thus obviating the need to do anything meaningful at all.

We have about ten years to get serious about containing our looming climate apocalypse. A Biden Presidency is essentially a death sentence for political order as we know it. Look at how destablising a million Syrian refugees proved in Europe and even the tangentially affected United States. And then consider what the world will look like for your childen when, by 2050, virtually every city in South Asia and the Middle East will be physically uninhabitable each summer.

Remaining 'moderate' and 'pragmatic' in the sense that corporate media curates the terms is the least responsible option of all.

For me, 'stability' represents basic healthcare, housing, childcare and education without a mountain of credit card debt - and NOT preserving a status quo where the possibility of working 40 hours/week and achieving each of these outside of tech or finance has all but vanished,

But to each his own.
 
I still don't understand how we got to a place where running literally ANYONE against Trump wasn't enough. That there aren't enough adults in this country to go "hey, I don't know much about politics are care that much, but I know that this guy clearly ain't it"

Clearly
 
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