Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[peteblue]

 

[evilwebby]

Haven't been following too closely, but Bernie Sanders is now the clear front-runner..

I mean.. Jesus.

Have the Democrats completely lost their mind? It looks like they're on the verge of embracing full on socialism if they go with Sanders.

Bernie is a figure for widening the Overton window. He should never be the official nominee.

 

[sdk]

All I seem to see online is that there's no way Democrats can win if Sanders is the nominee and there's no way the Democrats can win if Sanders isn't the nominee. I disagree.

Warren 2020

 

[Prevenger17]

Haven't been following too closely, but Bernie Sanders is now the clear front-runner..

I mean.. Jesus.

Have the Democrats completely lost their mind? It looks like they're on the verge of embracing full on socialism if they go with Sanders.

Bernie is a figure for widening the Overton window. He should never be the official nominee.

The Democrats don't really have a say in it, the people are just voting for him. And he's hardly an out-there candidate in a world where a dementia-addled, pu**y grabbing crook who can't string a sentence together is currently holding office

 

[longers]

Haven't been following too closely, but Bernie Sanders is now the clear front-runner..

I mean.. Jesus.

Have the Democrats completely lost their mind? It looks like they're on the verge of embracing full on socialism if they go with Sanders.

Bernie is a figure for widening the Overton window. He should never be the official nominee.

majority of posters disagree looking at the poll results

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

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I'm not for a moment saying he won't be re-elected. There's a decent chance of that - any other president with this economy (Thanks Obama) would be an absolute LOCK for a second term. The fact that it's probably +/- a coin toss is testament to Trump's historic unpopularity and corruption.

But come on then oh great and glorious expert - do explain... how was the impeachment process a "shambles"?

Bearing in mind that removing him from office was never the aim, but that by the end of the impeachment trial a majority of the population WANTED him removed from office, and that a supermajority (~75% all told, including a significant majority of independents and a plurality of Republicans) disapproved of the GOP senators conducting a sham trial by disallowing documents and witnesses.

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm not for a moment saying he won't be re-elected. There's a decent chance of that - any other president with this economy (Thanks Obama) would be an absolute LOCK for a second term. The fact that it's probably +/- a coin toss is testament to Trump's historic unpopularity and corruption.

But come on then oh great and glorious expert - do explain... how was the impeachment process a "shambles"?

Bearing in mind that removing him from office was never the aim, but that by the end of the impeachment trial a majority of the population WANTED him removed from office, and that a supermajority (~75% all told, including a significant majority of independents and a plurality of Republicans) disapproved of the GOP senators conducting a sham trial by disallowing documents and witnesses.

Give him a break. He got his pants pulled down if front of the class over at the EU in or out thread and now wants to be right about something, regardless of the fact that we all agree Trump is getting re-elected

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Haven't been following too closely, but Bernie Sanders is now the clear front-runner..

I mean.. Jesus.

Have the Democrats completely lost their mind? It looks like they're on the verge of embracing full on socialism if they go with Sanders.

Bernie is a figure for widening the Overton window. He should never be the official nominee.

Only in America is Bernie Sanders considered "full on socialism"

He'd be more or less centre left in most of the developed world.

 

[evilwebby]

Only in America is Bernie Sanders considered "full on socialism"

He'd be more or less centre left in most of the developed world.

Not really. He'd be lumped right into Momemtum if he were here in the UK. All he goes on about is the workers on minimum wage struggling to make ends meet. He pretty much hates the rich and believes they should be taxed as much as necessary to implement the social programmes that he sees as necessary to fulfill his brand of social progressivsm. He has nothing to say to the middle classes and well to do.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Not really. He'd be lumped right into Momemtum if he were here in the UK. All he goes on about is the workers on minimum wage struggling to make ends meet. He pretty much hates the rich and believes they should be taxed as much as necessary to implement the social programmes that he sees as necessary to fulfill his brand of social progressivsm. He has nothing to say to the middle classes and well to do.

Yeah, and the social programmes he wants implemented are such outlandish things as "healthcare for everyone".

Ooooooh, the dangerous Commie.

 

[TN Toffee]

Yeah, and the social programmes he wants implemented are such outlandish things as "healthcare for everyone".

Ooooooh, the dangerous Commie.

I’m definitely not all in with Bernie, but I very much appreciate his rhetoric in saying that in a country as developed as America, health care should be treated as a basic right of it’s citizens rather than a privilege for the wealthy.

I’m not particularly well versed in health care throughout the rest of the world, but I can’t imagine there are (m)any other respectable nations where it’s not entirely uncommon for even “insured” people with middle of the road incomes to find themselves forced to choose between receiving care for an illness and complete financial ruin.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I’m definitely not all in with Bernie, but I very much appreciate his rhetoric in saying that in a country as developed as America, health care should be treated as a basic right of it’s citizens rather than a privilege for the wealthy.

I’m not particularly well versed in health care throughout the rest of the world, but I can’t imagine there are (m)any other respectable nations where it’s not entirely uncommon for even “insured” people with middle of the road incomes to find themselves forced to choose between receiving care for an illness and complete financial ruin.

Agreed.

 

[TN Toffee]

Agreed.

I remember listening to a podcast late last year (maybe America Dissected) where they interviewed a woman who described fighting with her insurance company to get them to pay for her husband’s cancer treatments as being more mentally and physical draining and time consuming on them than the actual treatments themselves. That’s a disgrace.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I remember listening to a podcast late last year (maybe America Dissected) where they interviewed a woman who described fighting with her insurance company to get them to pay for her husband’s cancer treatments as being more mentally and physical draining and time consuming on them than the actual treatments themselves. That’s a disgrace.

Coming from the UK, I find it so bizarre. Don't get me wrong, the NHS isn't perfect (mostly due to chronic underfunding from a Conservative government). Waiting times are sometimes (particularly for elective treatment) longer than you'd like etc.... but the idea of having to worry about being literally bankrupted by the direct cost of getting sick is just not something that even crosses your mind.

I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that it's either the top or second highest cause of people LOSING THEIR HOUSES in the US. For the richest country in the world, that is utterly ****ed up. Especially when the US government already spends more per head of population on healthcare than the UK spends per head... that's without even taking into account the HUGE sums of money that are spent on private insurance.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not for a moment saying he won't be re-elected. There's a decent chance of that - any other president with this economy (Thanks Obama) would be an absolute LOCK for a second term. The fact that it's probably +/- a coin toss is testament to Trump's historic unpopularity and corruption.

But come on then oh great and glorious expert - do explain... how was the impeachment process a "shambles"?

Bearing in mind that removing him from office was never the aim, but that by the end of the impeachment trial a majority of the population WANTED him removed from office, and that a supermajority (~75% all told, including a significant majority of independents and a plurality of Republicans) disapproved of the GOP senators conducting a sham trial by disallowing documents and witnesses.

Because in the minds of those floating voters, you know the ones who actually make the difference, Pelosi and co looked spiteful. Not professional, just spiteful. Obviously with you not being a floater and with a predetermined outcome you will not see it that way. But for those in the USA who are patriotic, and most are, they will see a spiteful woman, ripping up the Presidents address and wasting the time of the senate. If you don’t see it fine, just wait until November when he gets back in....I‘ve no axe to grind in this, I’m just seeing it from afar as the eyes of the floating voters.....