Basic economics?? imagine taking so much money from local authorities and police etc that they are unable to deliver basic services.
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Basic economics?? imagine taking so much money from local authorities and police etc that they are unable to deliver basic services.
magicjuan
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Your opening words are warm, wet tosh.
I never mentioned fabricated, a poll can give you whatever result you want it to. They are meaningless.
As for your last point I think you'll find that the tories may not have used polls to the extent corporate media used leaders, perhaps they thought electoral fraud would do the job better? Sorry, that's just paranoid conspiracy guff too I take it?
Seanjd
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I'm assuming you think the Tory party are an economically responsible party? We are talking about the government which promised the reduce the deficit and blamed Labour time and time again for not reducing it while it continues to rise around then uncontrolled? The same government which even when introducing very harsh austerity measures in the name of reducing this deficit (but let's face it, it was all ideological), had such poor growth rates that they were absolutely ineffective?
And I'm sure you can give countless examples of your theory, and at the same time explain why the Tory party not only still exists but is the party in government today. As the party in government has to be voted in by a majority, then that must mean that there is a majority of wealthy people (whatever that's supposed to mean) in this country. And we know that's not true (except that you are going to claim that the figures are fixed somehow). So what we're left with is the idea that most people are looking after their own self-interest, which is understandable, and they see that that self-interest is best served by voting for a party that is, while not particularly helping poor old Mr and Mrs Jones down the road, at least preserving their own way of life. Self preservation (or selfishness) if you like. No political party is going to survive very long by benefiting the wealthy and punishing the poor.
WycombeToffee
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We'll see about the polls won't we. I don't think the Tories will win by 24 points, but it will be around 15-20 unless something incredibly drastic happens.
Your Election Fraud point is valid, but it is hardly the major story being made out by many hysterical commenters. They filled in a few sheets wrong. Careless, yes. Intentional, maybe. But hardly stealing an election. Lets not forget that the only parties to actually be charged over 2015 election expenses so far are Labour, UKIP, and the Lib Dems (for similar offences). There is a reason why none of the opposition parties have pursued that story, much to the consternation of Channel 4. Were they cutting corners too perhaps?
Seanjd
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They've survived nearly 200 years doing just that mate.
Seanjd
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I mean, to be fair, you have just written here that they won't 'help poor old Me and Mrs Jones' down the road, but will preserve the lives of the selfish.
Why not aim to elect a more inclusive government who will treat the most vulnerable in society with even an ounce of dignity? We should be supporting the unemployed, the disabled, the low paid and the otherwise marginalised by ensuring that their lives can be lived without fear of how they might get through the next week. Taxation should cover this. I suppose, though, while you have people voting for, as you put it, 'self-preservation', this ain't gonna happen.
WycombeToffee
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Well done for inadvertently praising the Tories. As you allude to, they are by far the longest lasting party in British politics, long outliving the Whigs, Liberals, SDP, and soon to be Labour and/or UKIP.
Seanjd
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This is true, although since 1928 (the year which all women were allowed to vote), the Conservative and Labour parties have been about as successful as each other.
gorgeousgeorgeEFC
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The pollsters can be readily dismissed as about as clueless as the rest of us.
The polls they released during the last general election campaign were hardly prescient; they had Labour ahead of the Tories by scores of seats. And the double-digit leads that they gave the Remain campaign the day before the EU referendum were laughably divergent from the reality. And then there was the last US presidential election. I could go on and on.
Labour can win this.
The polls they released during the last general election campaign were hardly prescient; they had Labour ahead of the Tories by scores of seats. And the double-digit leads that they gave the Remain campaign the day before the EU referendum were laughably divergent from the reality. And then there was the last US presidential election. I could go on and on.
Labour can win this.
No offence kev, but that might be the most naive thing i've read, i believe you to be the sweetest of men
magicjuan
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Sitting MPs under investigation, circa 30, Conservative majority in Parliament?
Bit more than cutting corners, the consequences of abuse are many, seemingly moreso if you are disabled, young, old, ill....
Agree with you on this mate. But I cant see the middle of the road Labour party (that most people seem to say they want) or LibDems doing much other than paper over the cracks in these areas.
To me root and branch change of our whole economic system is needed but I don't believe people are ready for it yet.
Maybe in another 20-30 years when the above things have got much worse, they will be
bring the ghost on
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Its the big society in action mate.
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