Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[hibbo'sclass]

Imagine the trauma these women go through, getting on a plane then finding your way to the clinic miles away all whilst going through a whole world of emotions.

It's pure cruelty.

Up to this year the Isle of man had similar criteria, but did include rape.
Prior to 1995 in all cases, on the plane, over to Liverpool and a private clinic run by a charity.
Believe me l, I saw the toll it took on my ex, and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

It's a religious issue mate

And that's something you have to deal with when you jump into bed with fundamentalists


(You is figurative in this instance)

Bear in mind that NI and ROI have similar laws on this - something that nationalists and unionists agree on apparently.

 

[roydo]

It's a religious issue mate

And that's something you have to deal with when you jump into bed with fundamentalists


(You is figurative in this instance)

Soz, replied before you edited.

But then, with May now paying for Irish girls to fly to the UK for an abortion, isnt that a bit unpalatable for the DUP?

Seems a strange one to me. But then Irish politics has always been a mystery to me.

 

[hullefc]

Ok, a religious belief dragged into a political arena?

Blimey.

Are you saying that the DUP are a religious party that dragged the issue of abortion into the political arena?

 

[jal123]

Up to this year the Isle of man had similar criteria, but did include rape.
Prior to 1995 in all cases, on the plane, over to Liverpool and a private clinic run by a charity.
Believe me l, I saw the toll it took on my ex, and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.


Bear in mind that NI and ROI have similar laws on this - something that nationalists and unionists agree on apparently.

I'm not having a go at NI, I'm from a catholic background myself and it's a stain on the religion.

From the little I've read it seems this pope might be a bit more progressive so fingers crossed.

 

[jal123]

Soz, replied before you edited.

But then, with May now paying for Irish girls to fly to the UK for an abortion, isnt that a bit unpalatable for the DUP?

Seems a strange one to me. But then Irish politics has always been a mystery to me.

She's not paying for them to fly over, just that their actual abortions will be covered on the NHS as far as I'm aware.

I can think of £1bn reasons they might not complain on this though.

 

[roydo]

She's not paying for them to fly over, just that their actual abortions will be covered on the NHS as far as I'm aware.

I can think of £1bn reasons they might not complain on this though.

Thought she said their travel costs to the UK would be paid for.

And yeah, its a grubby deal, no doubt. But its a grubby game it seems.

 

[jal123]

Thought she said their travel costs to the UK would be paid for.

And yeah, its a grubby deal, no doubt. But its a grubby game it seems.

If she did then I missed it sorry, still I think it's fair, but an unnecessary expense if they could get it done in their own town but that's a long way away I feel.

 

[roydo]

Are you saying that the DUP are a religious party that dragged the issue of abortion into the political arena?

I dunno really.

Its just to me, non religious, English, I find the concept of a political party having such strong views on a personal issue based on a religious belief, odd.

 

[roydo]

Hang on, I have got this the wrong way round havnt I?


The DUP arent that arsed about abortion, but other parties in NI are?

Help.

 

[hullefc]

Hang on, I have got this the wrong way round havnt I?


The DUP arent that arsed about abortion, but other parties in NI are?

Help.

The DUP do not want to extend the 1967 UK Abortion Act to Northern Ireland. Neither does Sein Fein nor the SDLP.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I'm not having a go at NI, I'm from a catholic background myself and it's a stain on the religion.

From the little I've read it seems this pope might be a bit more progressive so fingers crossed.

It's a good deal more complicated then just being a "stain" on the religion mate, I think that's a bit of a sweeping stament tbh. I think it's wrong that religion should have so much effect in the workings of a country and laws of the land, no way should abortions not be available to those who need/want them. As far as the church itself goes though, woe to the Pope if he trys to reform that or become to "progressive" because he'd be fighting a battle that he's got no chance of winning.

 

[jal123]

It's a good deal more complicated then just being a "stain" on the religion mate, I think that's a bit of a sweeping stament tbh. I think it's wrong that religion should have so much effect in the workings of a country and laws of the land, no way should abortions not be available to those who need/want them. As far as the church itself goes though, woe to the Pope if he trys to reform that because he'd be fighting a battle that he's got no chance of winning.

It's not a sweeping statement, it's my opinion (and it's not the only stain on Catholicism, which is why as soon as I was old enough to swerve it I did). The rest of your post I agree with.

 

[roydo]

The DUP do not want to extend the 1967 UK Abortion Act to Northern Ireland. Neither does Sein Fein nor the SDLP.

I feel a bit daft asking this, but why?

The DUP that is. In my limited knowledge of NI politics, I always think of the DUP as a the party of the Orangemen and that. I.E. Not Catholic. Or is that wrong?

 

[hullefc]

If there is no agreement to restore the Northern Irish assembly, and direct rule is imposed, then the government can extend the 1967 Abortion Act to Northern Ireland.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

It's not a sweeping statement, it's my opinion (and it's not the only stain on Catholicism, which is why as soon as I was old enough to swerve it I did). The rest of your post I agree with.

Well I just think the whole thing is more difficult then your making it out to be from the church's perspective. The church's view on abortion is old fashioned one built on tradition, religious beliefs are built on traditions. I'm not saying it's right just how it is. I can only say that from my perspective as a church going Catholic that I wouldn't welcome sweeping reforms to the church in the sense of the beliefs it's built on. As I've alredy said I think it's a disgrace that the church should have any influence politically or laws of the land and I'd rather the church and state be kept as far apart as possible.