Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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You and I will never agree on this mate, as I am not a proponent of a one size fits all political, economic and legal system..
The Tobintax you mention is that the one in relation to Financial Transactions or Currency Transaction or both?
You would be happy for a European corporation tax rate (or any harmonised rate). I'm speechless. Two of the main fiscal levers in an economic system are taxation and interest rates, with a standard Europe wide rate, the Eurozone countries would have centralised interest rates via the ECB and taxation. If I misunderstand and you see flexibility in the system by using a state and federal tax system, could work I suppose, but do you not have to double up on the admin?
Greece and various other countries were guilty of "creative" accounting and reporting to join the Euro weren't they, so not a case of them and others joining too soon, they shouldn't have been in had the books been looked at properly.
Let's not beat about the bush, the expansion of the Euro was lead by political will rather than economic sense.
I hope that I have not been offensive, but in it's future guise, it's a huge no to the EU from me.


The Tobintax, I thought the one proposed only concerned financial transactions (could be wrong however), but it will never come about. The reason why it won't come about is that Belgium will lose business to Luxemburg and Holland and they don't want that. They'll only agree if other countries agree to implement it, which they won't. What's further more Peeters has recently said it would be very unwise to make such moves since new taxes would make it more difficult to profit from the Brexit fallout and to get some financial business over.

The European Wide corporate tax doesn't impose a single rate or stuff like (that's for the national countries to decide). It was partly a reaction to Luxleaks and the Panama papers. Among other things it's designed to tax multinationals better. If you want to know more https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custo...mmon-consolidated-corporate-tax-base-ccctb_en . I don't have any issues with it and leaves more than enough to the national states. But as I said; it won't materialize; a couple of weeks ago it was in the news that it has been put off because of the whole Brexit debacle and they had better things to do; wrongly imo. I'm under no illusion btw that there won't be any loopholes left.

Yep I agree with you about the expansion of the Euro (it was a matter of prestige to get the birth place of democracy in); it was very stupid same goes for the quick expansion towards eastern Europe.

You're not offensive mate, I've got no issues with people who think differently from me (except racists and the like)- and I also support your Brexit, Brexit was voted for so it must be delivered, how that's another matter because tbh I don't think even May knows what kind of Brexit she wants. I'm not a federalist btw; I am somewhere in between. The keyword being subsidiarity. I guess it also has to do with where I am from. If you ask me in Belgium we should seriously consider re-federalizing some competences, away from the regions and communities. It's absurd that there could be a whole set of different traffic rules 10 kilometres further but in the same country.
 
All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did.
 
From an Irish viewpoint, given the nature of trade between various parts of the island, there must be some system that allows tariff-free commerce on this island.

The issue that is most difficult is in relation to goods to and from the mainland of GB.

Have I an answer that will be acceptable to member states in the EU?? No.

Sadly for all of Ireland, the feeling in the EU is to make this very difficult for the GB & NI.

If this is to work for the island of Ireland, there will need to be some sort of controls at point of entry from GB to NI and I don't know how that will be acceptable either with the DUP or with Member States.

Dare I say it.....and the people in the ROI may not be receptive......but it would really require a new unitary Ireland that would leave the UK and would remain as full members of the EU.

That still leaves a mess from a trade point of view with the remaining GB especially as we have so much going to markets there and through there to the rest of the EU.

Any chance of another referendum folks??
 
In seriousness, it's become fairly evident that the Tories are so caught up in cuts and Brexit that they've ignored the need to have a solid attainable vision for the country.

Don't get me wrong, David Cameron's "big society" stuff was ridiculous - but it set a course for travel.

Theresa May doesn't do vision, she's about as inspiring as a tea-towel.
 
In seriousness, it's become fairly evident that the Tories are so caught up in cuts and Brexit that they've ignored the need to have a solid attainable vision for the country.

Don't get me wrong, David Cameron's "big society" stuff was ridiculous - but it set a course for travel.

Theresa May doesn't do vision, she's about as inspiring as a tea-towel.

A similar position that Labour found itself in under Miliband.
 
So let's just say that these protesters have their way and May goes, what do they expect to change from that? The Conservatives will still be in power, Do they think the Tory's will go quietly into the night and let Labour take over? The fact is that even with a coalition government with all the other party's available they wouldn't have enough MP'S for a majority government.

Hay it's a free country and the protesters have a right to do what they want providing it doesn't descend into violence. I just fail to see what they hope to accomplish.
 
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