Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%

  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%

  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%

  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Total voters
    372
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orly said:
Christ.

Since the war not one party has secured 50% or more of the vote. By your insane logic, we've never had a "will of the people" government. That's not how our democracy works and it's the envy of the world.
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It is ? If you would transfer that system over here there would be riots. It's the best for the British since you guys voted for it; and understand all the advantages and disadvantages but it hardly works for everyone.
 
hullefc said:
None that I am aware of in the UK. That is why no politician or party could say they are doing things with the 'will of the people'.
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Imo, if you live in a democracy and don't vote, you're effectively saying you're happy for other people to decide for you. In that sense, every politician and party is doing things with the will of the people.
 
Armel said:
It is ? If you would transfer that system over here there would be riots. It's the best for the British since you guys voted for it; and understand all the advantages and disadvantages but it hardly works for everyone.
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How is Trump working out?
 
Armel said:
It is ? If you would transfer that system over here there would be riots. It's the best for the British since you guys voted for it; and understand all the advantages and disadvantages but it hardly works for everyone.
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Where's here mate?

All systems have got problems
 
Jamo Martinez said:
That really isn't a difficult choice.
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With respect though, it is. May was utterly atrocious, but she has at least had a cabinet post and been prime minister for a short time so you at least have a track record to go against. Corbyn has been in opposition for his entire 34 years in politics, and was largely in opposition even when his own party were in government. He has zero track record of ever having to implement many of the things he talks about, and what's more, due to the factions within Labour, neither do most of his cabinet.

Personally speaking, I'd take competence over any tribal loyalties right now, as it's an incredibly challenging time politically, yet the Tories are low on that (due in large part due to Brexit trimming their available talent pool), Labour are low on that (due to the aforementioned factions within the party), the Lib Dems have been hopeless and the fringe parties are fringe parties.

I'm not sure there has ever been such a paucity of talent in Westminster, so it wasn't an easy choice for me at all as none of them made even approaching a compelling case.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
With respect though, it is. May was utterly atrocious, but she has at least had a cabinet post and been prime minister for a short time so you at least have a track record to go against. Corbyn has been in opposition for his entire 34 years in politics, and was largely in opposition even when his own party were in government. He has zero track record of ever having to implement many of the things he talks about, and what's more, due to the factions within Labour, neither do most of his cabinet.

Personally speaking, I'd take competence over any tribal loyalties right now, as it's an incredibly challenging time politically, yet the Tories are low on that (due in large part due to Brexit trimming their available talent pool), Labour are low on that (due to the aforementioned factions within the party), the Lib Dems have been hopeless and the fringe parties are fringe parties.

I'm not sure there has ever been such a paucity of talent in Westminster, so it wasn't an easy choice for me at all as none of them made even approaching a compelling case.
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May failed as Home Secretary and has now failed as PM, so her track record was pyar mince, Corbyn would have to be a complete muppet to be any worse than the suit full of nothing that is soundbite May
 
Bruce Wayne said:
With respect though, it is. May was utterly atrocious, but she has at least had a cabinet post and been prime minister for a short time so you at least have a track record to go against. Corbyn has been in opposition for his entire 34 years in politics, and was largely in opposition even when his own party were in government. He has zero track record of ever having to implement many of the things he talks about, and what's more, due to the factions within Labour, neither do most of his cabinet.

Personally speaking, I'd take competence over any tribal loyalties right now, as it's an incredibly challenging time politically, yet the Tories are low on that (due in large part due to Brexit trimming their available talent pool), Labour are low on that (due to the aforementioned factions within the party), the Lib Dems have been hopeless and the fringe parties are fringe parties.

I'm not sure there has ever been such a paucity of talent in Westminster, so it wasn't an easy choice for me at all as none of them made even approaching a compelling case.
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Good points Bruce but do you not try your youth players because they're inexperienced if the first team have clearly demonstrated that they simply don't know how to play football?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
With respect though, it is. May was utterly atrocious, but she has at least had a cabinet post and been prime minister for a short time so you at least have a track record to go against. Corbyn has been in opposition for his entire 34 years in politics, and was largely in opposition even when his own party were in government. He has zero track record of ever having to implement many of the things he talks about, and what's more, due to the factions within Labour, neither do most of his cabinet.

Personally speaking, I'd take competence over any tribal loyalties right now, as it's an incredibly challenging time politically, yet the Tories are low on that (due in large part due to Brexit trimming their available talent pool), Labour are low on that (due to the aforementioned factions within the party), the Lib Dems have been hopeless and the fringe parties are fringe parties.

I'm not sure there has ever been such a paucity of talent in Westminster, so it wasn't an easy choice for me at all as none of them made even approaching a compelling case.
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A track record as Home Secretary that has cut police numbers, security services numbers to an absolute skeleton?

Bruce come on.
 
orly said:
Where's here mate?

All systems have got problems
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I know mate I don't meant it in an offensive way btw (I never do, I am friendly). I just wanted to say it's not for everyone.

My case is Belgium; but I can also speak for the Netherlands since I have loads of family there and go there a lot.

One thing that would be quite difficult is our federal state setup, but this could be remedied - would require strange election districts though and multiple lists.

But at the end of the day people just don't perceive it as a fair system over here. It helps the big parties. It makes things very difficult for new parties [Note: sometimes this is helpful like with the UKIP situation - but even that wouldn't be perceived fair over here. We have the cordon sanitaire for stuff like that/ The Dutch don't; they destroy them using other means]. Around UK election time you can always find a couple articles about the [perceived] unfairness of it all. Our systems also have drawbacks - one thing being the difficult coalition talks [but that also has advantages; you'll get less sudden changes in government policy since coalitions are compromises. In the UK the party program is basically what Labour/cons are going to do. Over here it's just a list of things that might or might not happen; at the end of the day they have to talk with other parties so there will be compromises] and stuff like that.

This is how the Dutch elections would look like with the British system; people would go nuts. This is a huge difference with the current setup. VVD are liberals btw.


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