Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Boss_Blue]

There are 39 posters on here who do not belong on an Everton forum.

 

[Sy-]

It's not that unusual a viewpoint tbf.

There are piles more Con/Lib marginals than Lib/Lab

Maybe neutral/apathetic were the wrong words, I'm guessing from the selection of choices I made on various subjects that I agreed with some Tory policies and disagreed with an equal amount to a zero-sum total.

http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

Deliberately chose neutral on the last 3, not falling for that!

Cue p-taking for using this to make a decision, but was pretty handy for someone who doesn't know who's manifesto each one came from.

 

[Clint Planet]

I'm voting lib dem in Twickenham as labour have no hope whereas lib dems have a chance of beating the torys.

Good man.

 

[roydo]

Corbynites, what say you about the line of reasoning that his remarkable showing in some polls will only strengthen Labour's lead in constituencies that they already hold, rather than flip critical marginals?

I want to believe, but...

My own, personal, take on it, is quite straight forward.

Corbyn has surprised a lot of floaters, (me) with his campaign. Note, HIS. Not the LP.

Equally, May has been nothing less than unimpressive, despite what her ringleaders try to tell me.

Thing is, folk of a certain age, (again, me), while musing on who to vote for, find their mind drifting back to the mid 70's, and the early 80's, (militant and all that). Then, we think that whilst Corbyn ticks a big box marked "Campaign". Ticks a big box marked "Principled", the record and damage that a hardish left wing LP, all well intentioned when they get elected, that actually occurred when their paymasters levered themselves, makes more than a few of us, pause.

Now that may be unfair, and I am not making a point about the rights and wrongs of what happened decades ago, but some of a different vintage recall those days with slightly less rose tinted specs than perhaps those who were not actually there.

I can see a big increase in the popular vote for him, (relative to the early polls), but I doubt that that will actually transpire into a winning position. Part of me, the contrary side, actually would enjoy it, but the realist in me, doubts it.

That said, I called the Scottish Ref right, and the EU Ref wrong.

Double or quits.

 

[orly]

Will the youth vote be mobilised and if so how key will it be? If of no consequence I am afraid big tory majority

I reckon now possibly around 105.

Not as bad as it could have been but grim

 

[Donald Twain]

 

[Donald Twain]

 

[roydo]

I reckon now possibly around 105.

Not as bad as it could have been but grim

The only positive with either main party having a large majority is being able to present that to the EU.

The major negative is either could ram through whatever they want in the HOC.

Whatever side of the debate you are, its a conundrum.

 

[tsubaki]

The only positive with either main party having a large majority is being able to present that to the EU.

The major negative is either could ram through whatever they want in the HOC.

Whatever side of the debate you are, its a conundrum.

Having a huge majority is (and could only ever be) worth almost nothing in the negotiations with the EU, especially when the party that is likely to win didn't actually say what they wanted the deal to look like. Corbyn might fare better because he actually said some of the things that he wanted to see - which were all things that would help a sane deal emerge - but even then, the importance of a Corbyn win in those negotiations is about 10% of the importance that Macron winning was.

 

[Clint Planet]

Political noob here, is a Lib Dem vote a wasted vote? transpires I'm pro Lib Dem, anti-labour and Tory neutral/apathetic.

Kind of expect Labour to snatch it anyway in no small part due to the tuition fee thing, but equally fear these students are going to get mugged off, who pays for it all?

 

[abelard]

The only positive with either main party having a large majority is being able to present that to the EU.

but with a large majority, the EU can say "you have the means to make it so".

with a small majority, and even more so, with a hung parliament, they can't.

the entire premise of May's election has been dubious from the outset.

as a "citizen of nowhere", I want an agreement which changes as little as possible (unless, say, structural austerity, income inequality, or Germany's scandalous destruction of Greece to backhandedly bail out its own banks comes up as a basis for EU reform - which I very much doubt). and I think most people my age in the UK agree.

a Tory majority will be much more meaningful for May after she utterly tanks during the negotiations than it will be during the negotiations themselves.

 

[tsubaki]

but with a large majority, the EU can say "you have the means to make it so".

with a small majority, and even more so, with a hung parliament, they can't.

the entire premise of May's election has been dubious from the outset.

as a "citizen of nowhere", I want an agreement which changes as little as possible (unless, say, structural austerity, income inequality, or Germany's scandalous destruction of Greece to backhandedly bail out its own banks comes up as a basis for EU reform - which I very much doubt). and I think most people my age in the UK agree.

a Tory majority will be much more meaningful for May after she utterly tanks during the negotiations than it will be during the negotiations themselves.

... and therein lies the reason for the election.

 

[evilwebby]

Political noob here, is a Lib Dem vote a wasted vote? transpires I'm pro Lib Dem, anti-labour and Tory neutral/apathetic.

Kind of expect Labour to snatch it anyway in no small part due to the tuition fee thing, but equally fear these students are going to get mugged off, who pays for it all?

No vote is a wasted vote, no matter who it is for.
The logical extension of this "wasted vote" argument is that any vote for anyone other than the winning candidate should be considered a wasted vote.

Vote how you want. Vote for candidate you really support, or vote tactically. It's your vote, you can do what you want. The worst thing you can do is to let someone else tell you how you should use it.

 

[neil999]

I reckon now possibly around 105.

Not as bad as it could have been but grim

I think Corbyn will stay on as well..

On a side note..Apparently some polls have lib dems going down to 2 seats!! lol What is happening to centrist politics?!

 

[ToffeeTim]

Labour + Tory combined vote could hit 80%+ potentially, which would be by far the highest it's been since 79.

2 Party politics is back.