1995-2020 = the longest barren spell without silverware in Everton's history

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Yes, but... They've been saying "no more" in Cleveland since the 70's, and it just gets worse. My Cubs only found the key when we got Theo Epstein to do what he did in Boston. The key is having the person in Marcel Brands' job perform it at the level of Theo Epstein. Can Brands do it?

It's a tall order. More common is this:

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Meanwhile, keep their feet to the fire until it works. The proof of concept is Bramley-Moore. It must happen. Pardon the possibly obscure American references, but they describe my thoughts precisely and they're the facts I know.
I'm aware of the Cleveland phenomenon. It's nuts the failure in all sports there! But look at your cycle: it relates to bad decisions made in terms of on-field appointments. This problem of ours is more holistic than that. It's a failure of corporate governance at root.
 

The delivery of BMD really is the point of no return or not for this club.

By the turn of the year, we need to have seen the design, have funding confirmed, and PP submitted.

Not another equivalent of the dog ate my homework, at which this club excels.

Beyond that, the fragmentation of the top four into the top six has positive implications for us if we can take that opportunity.

That means spending well and selling well.

I think we can only ever hope to regain relevance as a club that is talked about, and talked up.

The era of one or two clubs dominating over an extended period is over. That ultimately puts pressure on the existing elite as they cannot win everything, all the time.

Atletico Madrid for me remain the model - fantastic new stadium in place, fantastic manager, a structure that facilitates buying and selling wisely and is sustainable, they've gotten over the line on several occasions to win silverware. And all this in the shadow of the biggest club of all. They would likely accept that they can't overtake them ever, but they can take their place alongside them and compete. For me that's where it is.
 
The stadium. It's nonsense. Pure nonsense. You're not daft. You 'know' it too.

I’d be more shocked if it went through than if it didn’t. I’m hearing bits and bobs all the time, some negative some positive.

It’s starti to feel like the club is dangling a massive carrot in front of the fan base again. “Oh look a shiny stadium, stay faithful and don’t rock the boat....please”
 
I feel like me and you are in the minority on this forum when it comes to the stadium. I don´t understand given the antics we´ve seen over the past 30 years that people think this thing will get built. These things cost ridiculous amounts of money and a massive commitment from an owner who has no real affiliation/obligation to us.

Up until now we´ve heard nice soundbites but that´s all. Until they start digging the ground I won´t believe it.
This is part of the issue/problem raised: we have been conditioned to accept a wing and a prayer where four functioning engines are needed.
 
If we dont win a trophy next season a shameful anniversary will be upon us: 25 years without a trophy win. That'll eclipse the previous barren period between 1939-1963 by a year (and that was as lengthy as it was because there was no football for 6 years because of a war). Since 1995, Leicester have won three trophies; Villa, Blackburn, M'boro, Birmingham City, Swansea City, Portsmouth and Wigan have each won a trophy.

Our downfall hasn't happened by accident. It's happened because the club in the last quarter of a century has been run by amateurs who've squandered the greatest money spree there's ever been at the disposal of Everton in its history. It's gone nowhere. Spent on paying off loans (and the interest run up for those loans...and that's another murky area in and of itself). Those loans were taken out because a series of owners simply didn't have the wherewithal to make a successful takeover happen and they used the club's PL status as a credit card and a liberal sprinkling of player sales to keep themselves in position for a future sale. Oh yes, there's been poor recruitment of managers and players. The cash wasted there hasn't helped either.

But this has been an age defined by our former peers upgrading stadia / building new stadia in order to stay competitive and increase their chances of success, but Everton's owners were too dimwitted to ever get a stadium idea off the drawing board and built. Which should come as no surprise to anyone, because they are the same people who employed a variety of CEOs to cut deals which were appallingly small for a club of this size, people who exhibited no idea how to grow Everton into a commercially viable operation. They've all recognised the key problem, for sure, but that's only been in order to hide their failure behind the mantra of 'facility-led' recovery and then they fold their arms as if nothing else matters. And here we are now still waiting for it with promises of updates where a secured planning permission for a stadium and funding to build it should be.

So, as we head into our 25th year in the wilderness, take a bow Messrs Johnson, Finch, Kenwright, Gregg, Earl, Dunford, Wyness, Elstone, Moshiri...and you too Mrs Barrett-Baxendale.

We wake up to the continuing nightmare of our local rival lifting another piece of silverware and taking their place in the sun while we remain firmy in the shadows, but remember that those named above are our real enemies, not an embarrassing cult who just so happen to share the same city as us. No one at Liverpool bollocksed us up for this length of time. The perpetrators of our quarter of a century decline all sat and sit in our boardroom at L4.
A well-put-forward argument.
 

I’d be more shocked if it went through than if it didn’t. I’m hearing bits and bobs all the time, some negative some positive.

It’s starti to feel like the club is dangling a massive carrot in front of the fan base again. “Oh look a shiny stadium, stay faithful and don’t rock the boat....please”
Yep. It looks fanciful. I dont know any industry insider, but I do know Everton mood music, and this is starting to hit a bum note.
 
Ill just restate what I said in the other thread,since John Moores left there has been no vision,we went from being innovators,aggresive and ruthless to becoming a part of the also rans,when the Taylor report was published other teams knocked stands down and rebuilt,we stuck seats on terraces and wax lyrically about "the grand old lady",look at the teams who built new grounds,teams that we used to dwarf,even the plans for a new stadium leave us with the 4th biggest ground in a 30 mile radius,we had a fan base that actually voted to move to a larger DW stadium in Kirkby then point the finger at fans who opposed it,the local media gave Leahy a double page spread about the benefits and Dominic King actually said we should be looking at COVENTRY as an inspiration
 
Yep. It looks fanciful. I dont know any industry insider, but I do know Everton mood music, and this is starting to hit a bum note.

Even Twitter Dan’s nice drawings won’t fully convince me, the RS got pretty far along with Stanley Park.

When the first blue seat goes in I’ll believe it’s happening
 

I'm aware of the Cleveland phenomenon. It's nuts the failure in all sports there! But look at your cycle: it relates to bad decisions made in terms of on-field appointments. This problem of ours is more holistic than that. It's a failure of corporate governance at root.
Point taken. Cleveland's problems were similar. The old club was carpetbagged to Baltimore to subsequently win a couple of Super Bowls, ffs. Imagine. A total horror.

My friend Stevie says all he has to do for them to win is die first. A common refrain from Browns faithful.

It's a tough nut to crack. We'll see what the current crew are made of.
 
Point taken. Cleveland's problems were similar. The old club was carpetbagged to Baltimore to subsequently win a couple of Super Bowls, ffs. Imagine. A total horror.

My friend Stevie says all he has to do for them to win is die first. A common refrain from Browns faithful.

It's a tough nut to crack. We'll see what the current crew are made of.
Ha Ha.
 
I think you and @roydo consistently have. I'm desperately hoping you're right, because I'm not sure I can take any more of this. I read the stuff from the kids on here who've known no success and it breaks my 'kin heart.

The ground? Personally, I think there are way too many interested parties, close to and associates of the club, for it not to complete.
 
I think you and @roydo consistently have. I'm desperately hoping you're right, because I'm not sure I can take any more of this. I read the stuff from the kids on here who've known no success and it breaks my 'kin heart.
Indeed. In some ways I respect them a bit more because they’ve literally seen nothing.
 

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