Ronald Koeman discussion

[Bluecranks]

We (he?) need a result against Arsenal. I would take a point if it comes with a better performance, though I don't know where a performance will come from at the moment. If we can gain some confidence by giving Arsenal a decent game, we've got a run of 6 winnable matches coming up before the rs. I am still open-minded about Koeman, but these next 8 games could sway me.

 

[Kev50]

How many of that squad are remaining from moyes’ Day ? The former manager knows far far less of them than he doesn’t know I can’t see that as a reason . I hope you’re not including Rooney who he sued or Barkley who I mostly remember getting bombed out for giving a penalty away at Blackburn in that list .

The idea of appointing a man whose failed at every job he’s taken after leaving us seems the very embodiment of madness to be honest . Fans at championship clubs don’t want him , Scotland fans prefer Alec Mcleish or Paul lambert .

I’m happy to forget the complete disrespect he treated us with when he left but from a poorly footballing point of view I think it’d be a horrific appointment.

To clarify this isn’t a defence of Koeman post by the way .

I think history has shown he wasn't given a fair crack of tHe whip at OT. Sunderland was a hospital pass. I think he'd work his nuts off to keep us up and he would do. His record in the transfer window compared with Koeman is also farcically good. I know most people would be horrified him coming back after the way he behaved but if he apologised I think most would forgive him. The main thing is we don't get relegated or the whole club could go into meltdown. At the moment you would have to say that's about evens

 

[smileychap]

Your agreeing with me mate, the tactics are spot on if we had a quality centre froward. That was obviously the plan, someone messed up somewhere. If you finish is European spots won year with a way of playing, then sell your best striker, you improve the quality of player in the squad but loose your striker - the problem is you lost you striker, not tactics but personnel and recuritment.

Ive already wirtten of the first half of the season, any points we get are bonus's if we have 20+ points before January and we can get a forward we will be doing well. The season is a right off and its the clubs fault.

Blimey. 10/10 to you sir for loyalty. True Lukaku was a massive help but there is the stat that we'd have still finished 7th without any of his goals (it's true, though I don't know where this stat was spotted). OK, we're missing Coleman and Barkley, too. Likewise Bolasie will help.

But still, Koeman has to work with what he's brought in. I can't think of a single signing he's made that's come in and improved what we had. I'm not being derogatory to Keane and Pickford who are young English players I'd love to see kick-on and do well, early days. Ditto Vlasic.

All Koeman has done is lose Stones, Barkley (realistically) and Lukaku and brought Sigs, Gylfi, Klassen, all poor so far. Rooney past it, I really hoped for fireworks with Barkley, not happening Williams declining already. Lookman hardly played (shame), Bolasie injured too quickly to judge. The football is awful, is selections are negative and declining to use pacier players at his disposal. Go Go Go.

Give Unsworth a run at the FA cup, he'll sort the defence out too.

 

[Lanolin]

Your agreeing with me mate, the tactics are spot on if we had a quality centre froward. That was obviously the plan, someone messed up somewhere. If you finish is European spots won year with a way of playing, then sell your best striker, you improve the quality of player in the squad but loose your striker - the problem is you lost you striker, not tactics but personnel and recuritment.

Ive already wirtten of the first half of the season, any points we get are bonus's if we have 20+ points before January and we can get a forward we will be doing well. The season is a right off and its the clubs fault.

You can't be being serious? That genuinely doesn't make any sense.

1. I'm not saying the tactics are 'spot on' if you have a top class striker. If the tactics were 'spot on' we'd have been winning away, and generally playing better football than we did for much of last season. The tactics were passable with a top class striker, because getting the ball up the pitch a lot was enough to get Lukaku a couple of chances a game and he was usually good enough to bury at least one. We could certainly have used different tactics, and I would probably have preferred us to.

2. Even if we ignore point 1, that doesn't help us. The manager's job is to find tactics which work, not tactics which would work if we had totally different players. What you're suggesting is that Mike Walker's tactics were absolutely spot on, and it was just downright bad luck that Brett Angell and Stuart Barlow weren't Romario and Batistuta.

 

[mkrudden]

Your agreeing with me mate, the tactics are spot on if we had a quality centre froward. That was obviously the plan, someone messed up somewhere. If you finish is European spots won year with a way of playing, then sell your best striker, you improve the quality of player in the squad but loose your striker - the problem is you lost you striker, not tactics but personnel and recuritment.

Ive already wirtten of the first half of the season, any points we get are bonus's if we have 20+ points before January and we can get a forward we will be doing well. The season is a right off and its the clubs fault.

That's so untrue it hurts.

 

[Neiler]

That's so untrue it hurts.

Whereabouts?

 

[Neiler]

You can't be being serious? That genuinely doesn't make any sense.

1. I'm not saying the tactics are 'spot on' if you have a top class striker. If the tactics were 'spot on' we'd have been winning away, and generally playing better football than we did for much of last season. The tactics were passable with a top class striker, because getting the ball up the pitch a lot was enough to get Lukaku a couple of chances a game and he was usually good enough to bury at least one. We could certainly have used different tactics, and I would probably have preferred us to.

2. Even if we ignore point 1, that doesn't help us. The manager's job is to find tactics which work, not tactics which would work if we had totally different players. What you're suggesting is that Mike Walker's tactics were absolutely spot on, and it was just downright bad luck that Brett Angell and Stuart Barlow weren't Romario and Batistuta.

As i have said i have no problem if people are basing their opinion on what they saw last season and really dont like Koeman. I feel the blame this season isnt the managers.

I agree he has to find a solution, i dont think he isnt trying we are awful to watch and he hasnt struck the right blend yet, if he was doing the same thing every week i think people would have little validity but he is trying a range pf players and giving different oppurtunites in different positions. I think he is operating in a glass ceiling though, the fundamental problem is a forward that was planned for, that wasnt delivered thats undermining everything else.

If he gets it in January and performances remain the same ill happily join the herd and raise a pitchfork.

 

[Harryflashman]

I think history has shown he wasn't given a fair crack of tHe whip at OT. Sunderland was a hospital pass. I think he'd work his nuts off to keep us up and he would do. His record in the transfer window compared with Koeman is also farcically good. I know most people would be horrified him coming back after the way he behaved but if he apologised I think most would forgive him. The main thing is we don't get relegated or the whole club could go into meltdown. At the moment you would have to say that's about evens

The bookies have it at about 14’s Mate so I’ll take any bet you like of you at even money , we look absolutely horrendous at the minute I’m not going to deny that but I’d say 50/50 to go down that’s a huge call .

I’m going to disagree with you on Moyes as I think frankly you’re excusing him on his career , he’s failed repeatedly since leaving us and his career is only going down . If a championship club wants to give him a chance to rebuild his career and he succeeds then fine but that’s where his career is now , with the Paul lamberts of this world . Miles below successful ambitious managers , if he went 50/50 for a job with neil Warnock then Warnock would probably get it . The bloke wouldn’t be considered to replace Pulis or dyche if they left but you want us to look at him ? Plenty of clubs have been facing relegation and not one of them has gone for him , actually one has and they got relegated.

Some Evertonian’s attitude to Moyes seems to be like that battered wife who only remembers that great weekend they had away in London in 2009 or that lovely time in 2005 when it all went so well , whilst everybody else it seems can see exactly what he is .

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

Whereabouts?

Nevermind mate, can't wait till we get this striker in you're talking about, champions league here we come

 

[Kev50]

The bookies have it at about 14’s Mate so I’ll take any bet you like of you at even money , we look absolutely horrendous at the minute I’m not going to deny that but I’d say 50/50 to go down that’s a huge call .

I’m going to disagree with you on Moyes as I think frankly you’re excusing him on his career , he’s failed repeatedly since leaving us and his career is only going down . If a championship club wants to give him a chance to rebuild his career and he succeeds then fine but that’s where his career is now , with the Paul lamberts of this world . Miles below successful ambitious managers , if he went 50/50 for a job with neil Warnock then Warnock would probably get it . The bloke wouldn’t be considered to replace Pulis or dyche if they left but you want us to look at him ? Plenty of clubs have been facing relegation and not one of them has gone for him , actually one has and they got relegated.

Some Evertonian’s attitude to Moyes seems to be like that battered wife who only remembers that great weekend they had away in London in 2009 or that lovely time in 2005 when it all went so well , whilst everybody else it seems can see exactly what they are .

I think you are too harsh. it wasn't one weekend it was over a decade of top six finishes. He was outstanding with us. Sunderland was a hospital pass. I'm not saying it's ideal. it's just the best option we have. We are in a bad bad way. for the first time in 15 years, our defence is the worst in the league. We have no striker, and five no tens. We need someone to come in and do a firefighting operation, and he fits the bill. not long term,just to steady the ship for the next 18 months with Unsworth as first team coach

 

[Neiler]

Nevermind mate, can't wait till we get this striker in you're talking about, champions league here we come

Maybe next season mate.

 

[Harryflashman]

I think you are too harsh. it wasn't one weekend it was over a decade of top six finishes. He was outstanding with us. Sunderland was a hospital pass. I'm not saying it's ideal. it's just the best option we have. We are in a bad bad way. for the first time in 15 years, our defence is the worst in the league. We have no striker, and five no tens. We need someone to come in and do a firefighting operation, and he fits the bill. not long term,just to steady the ship for the next 18 months with Unsworth as first team coach

In the whole world of football 92 domestic football league clubs , teams all across Europe and the world not to mention currently unemployed managers with a side like us that pay Koeman £6m a year the only option you can consider as a possible appointment is Moyes ?

 

[Azza]

Ronald McDonald
Roberto Koeman
Ronald Noklueman
Moon Head


Take your pick.

 

[riddick]

the other thing I can't forgive him for is the age range of the players he's brought in. 28-32. no sell on value. it's like hes thought, 'I'm not going to be here more than a couple of years, so to make me look the best possible I need players who hit the ground running, and will be good for a couple of years'. The bellend couldn't even get that right, mind

Thats literally what he has said. He wanted players in their prime years.

It's still madness how much we spent on a 28year old player. Literally no resale value whatsoever there.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

His team selections consistently have me rolling my eyes. The more he plays Gana & Morgan together the worse they seem to become.. how can he not see it?

Be interesting to know what the players really think of him currently. If the general consensus is that the players don't trust him then he has to go.