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Brown mate - always brown
Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Brown mate - always brown
I think the poll has been running for months, it's not new.
I guess the lads down at old hall street need to crack on this morning and reveal the names before you beat it to them again.
Your backtracking, understandably.
Again. We don't "run a poll", the fans using the forum do. This particular poll has been here for many months - since October.
Following feedback, it was felt a poll after every bad result - as you say, when emotions are incensed, wasn't conducive to the forum. Polls were often setup by fans that didn't allow for vote changes and so, emotion after a bad result would be set in stone. Instead of tons of manager polls from fans, as I've shown below;
Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/should-martinez-be-sacked-post-stoke-poll.72027/
Martínez Poll (post Man Utd)
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martínez-poll-post-man-utd.75472/
Poll: Should Martinez Keep His Job If We Win The FA CUP
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...inez-keep-his-job-if-we-win-the-fa-cup.86799/
Martinez snap poll (post Burnley)
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martinez-snap-poll-post-burnley.75287/
Poll : Martinez Post Newcastle
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/poll-martinez-post-newcastle.74191/
Martinez Out. After Kyiv @ Home Poll:
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martinez-out-after-kyiv-home-poll.74086/
Should Martinez be sacked? (Post Crystal Palace poll)
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/should-martinez-be-sacked-post-crystal-palace-poll.72841/
We instead, asked fans to use the one poll, in the one thread, that they could revisit as/when their opinion changed.
If you have issue with that, unfortunately I must ask you to pipe down and take it on the chin.
In my personal opinion, (yes, we can express our own opinions), it doesn't make us GOT have an editorial stance;
... I'd sooner not have the managers position under such scrutiny before an FA Cup Semi Final. I'd rather not have this poll.
So another hole in your argument. Although I understand the poll - I don't want this poll, but I can't/won't close it because if I did, I'd be running the forum to my agenda/opinion.
As it is, I try my best to run the forum in as impartial, neutral capacity as I can. Fans want the discussion, want the poll, I just say 'Fine, keep it to one thread please' and that decision is one made in an effort to keep the forum as a platform as conducive as possible.
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Just realised @Sentinel has been registered for 2 months.
Explains a few things.
Anyway, the thread has inadvertently gone of course. I suspect the majority reading this thread don't care about the logistics of a poll on a forum, or have been here long enough to know how the forum works. If Sentinel or anyone else wants to continue discussion around polls, please create a thread in our Announcements/Support/Feedback forum here.
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TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
...did you read the JOSE interview over the weekend, he wants to go somewhere where he's 'loved', all that jazz.
Can't see it, but it'd be ace and, frankly, we should be aiming high for once...
Interesting times though eh mate.
Saint Domingo
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In fairness was online polling functionality even around during part of Moyes' tenure?
It's also a feature that a lot of posters ask for. How many times have there been disagreements on a thread followed up with a new thread and poll to garner forum opinion on exactly that issue. What you're essentially asking for is the mods to run the forum for wider 'media' consumption and not the wants of the forum members. To me it seems it is not run that way and is the exact opposite of a digital newspaper, completely different viewpoints are allowed to prosper, sounds like the opposite of a newspaper to me.
All that has happened now is that there seems to be a popular opinion amongst a large number of forum members that is being reflected in its content.
@Sentinel if you're to drop the footballing aspect of it and the subsequent sentiments regarding the semi-final, such polls are common place.
Before any form of election for example you commonly find polls with the intention to gauge the public opinion: would you want Corbyn as PM etc?
That's before any final vote by the masses or even before Cameron has left his job; it's not crass or inappropriate, it's just to sample opinion.
Yes they're not infallible as they are canvassing only a sample of people as is this poll, and yes they hold no actual influence on the final outcome.
Mainstream media outlets use them as well all the time, as it is a pretty sensible way (and the most accurate) of gauging the public's opinion.
And to this poll in particular: it's not as if it is a small minority who are pulling from the majority, or a group of people simply here to incite others.
The vote itself, while not infallible as I mentioned, suggests that in this insistence a significant majority of people are disillusioned with Martinez.
Does that not to some extent justify the poll's worthiness? As @GrandOldTeam mentioned, it was a poster who instigated the vote as well.
Personally, I'd rather not be in a situation like over at RAWK where even the slightest example of questioning the manager is seen as treasonable.
We're here to discuss and that's what people are doing... you may not like it, and there's times I don't like it either, but it's an open forum.
If we want a closed-shop, where draconian authority stops anything put pulling the party line, then our opinion as fans literally means nothing.
However as you mentioned, a poll after Martinez's departure (if it occurs) is equally a good idea as it will analyse it from another perspective.
Before any form of election for example you commonly find polls with the intention to gauge the public opinion: would you want Corbyn as PM etc?
That's before any final vote by the masses or even before Cameron has left his job; it's not crass or inappropriate, it's just to sample opinion.
Yes they're not infallible as they are canvassing only a sample of people as is this poll, and yes they hold no actual influence on the final outcome.
Mainstream media outlets use them as well all the time, as it is a pretty sensible way (and the most accurate) of gauging the public's opinion.
And to this poll in particular: it's not as if it is a small minority who are pulling from the majority, or a group of people simply here to incite others.
The vote itself, while not infallible as I mentioned, suggests that in this insistence a significant majority of people are disillusioned with Martinez.
Does that not to some extent justify the poll's worthiness? As @GrandOldTeam mentioned, it was a poster who instigated the vote as well.
Personally, I'd rather not be in a situation like over at RAWK where even the slightest example of questioning the manager is seen as treasonable.
We're here to discuss and that's what people are doing... you may not like it, and there's times I don't like it either, but it's an open forum.
If we want a closed-shop, where draconian authority stops anything put pulling the party line, then our opinion as fans literally means nothing.
However as you mentioned, a poll after Martinez's departure (if it occurs) is equally a good idea as it will analyse it from another perspective.
Ashtonian
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Ok i'll answer in parts to this to make it clearer to read.
1. Difference between everton and wigan? Good attacking play? Poor defence? Not winning games? Dropping down the league year on year? Sounds pretty similar to me considering it is the same manager and same tactics.
2. As for getting shot? We are 15th in the league mate in April. Not too long ago it was what a manager from our chairman. If they follow the same belief that you have in the manager (or few others on here) then say he wins the cup, but we find ourselves 15th next season at the same point, except the bottom 3 aren't as bad as they are this year and can actually catch us? There is plenty of credible ground, cup or not, that would suggest that martinez may not get sacked at all.
3. True, we haven't sold star players before, but none of them have scored 25 goals in a season before, which is a huge commodity in football to sign. Plus he has announced in march he wants to leave, so he will be gone. The club might be bigger than one player here and there mate, but those 25 goals this year....they are kinda a rare commodity to us to have, seeings though he is our best striker since 1993 for scoring in a season! So for all the record keepers out there, that is 23 years since we had a goal scorer anywhere near this level in the league, so yeah, not so easy to replace that is it?
4. and finally, it is just incredible that you constantly ignore the comparisons to Wigan even now. The records are so similar, with the same manager, the same tactics, the same league positions, the same average of wins, and the same dropping down the league happening. Look it up, they are similar, to think otherwise is just literally turning a blind eye to what is going on.
but giving martinez time here to send us further down is not a whole season mate. Newcastle going down this year are because of the first 4 month form, completely destroyed them. same as villa, only winning 2 games, kinda killed them off before they got going. All it would take is a half season of 'its the europa league's / euros / fans / anyone but the manager / bad luck' and we could really be struggling down there to pick results up, martinez or no martinez.
And for all the managers suggested, Emery/Koeman/Biesla/Mourhinio, none of them would come to us if we were struggling in the league yet again, take the blue tinted glasses off and you get a essentially a team looking like they are going down to every other fan in the country. 11th - 14th (could be 16th after this weeks games) and potentially keep losing and dropping points and norwich can catch us.
(oh and conveniently forgetting palace havent won a game this year until the weekend, double it and they move above us n the league, 1 promoted team above us, one level on points, west brom and swansea who were in relegation battles not long ago above us, how many more warning signs do fans need that this just isnt good enough? )
I don't believe a word @the_esk says.
Only joking, I'm in denial to be fair. I don't like clubs sacking managers, but I'm beginning to feel like our circumstances are different. I was around for Moyes' second season and had to endure that rubbish, but the positives were there.
I'm struggling to find any positives.
The football is dire.
The players are unhappy.
I might as well face up to the fact that I was wrong.
Only joking, I'm in denial to be fair. I don't like clubs sacking managers, but I'm beginning to feel like our circumstances are different. I was around for Moyes' second season and had to endure that rubbish, but the positives were there.
I'm struggling to find any positives.
The football is dire.
The players are unhappy.
I might as well face up to the fact that I was wrong.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
Then what do you propose for this sinking ship, seeing as the Manager has 3 seasons remaining on his contract?
Sentinel
Player Valuation: £8m
It's true the poll has been running for months. And like yourself, I've read every post. It was at one stage taken down.
Then you ask me to pipe down. I'll ignore that. I think you're fundamentally failing to see what I'm trying to suggest to you. I'm not backtracking, I'm applauding you for the work you do. I understand your rationale for running the polls. I disagree on the timing.
You say you'd rather not have this poll? So why run it? Does it help, why not just wait to the end of the season? You can't claim it's not an editorial when you're being referenced, albeit indirectly, in national media. Rightly or wrongly that's what is being reported.
I'm not saying any different mate.
I like Roberto as a man. Met him twice and he was always willing to entertain discussion regarding the club.
He gets our club, but it looks like he's just not capable of turning it around.
Really disappointing, I had dreams of us doing amazing things with such a young dynamic squad and a young attack-minded manager.
It just hasn't happened.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
I think you'll find the clear majority feeling this way.
But we have to make a change.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
So long as the clubs thinking is preparing for the end, then thats all we need to know.
But, its mourinho isn't it lollol only messing.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
Spot on mate!!
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