Moutinho - all talk in here please.

[sotnas]

If thats true mate, i think Bill has set himself up for a fall after the interview on SSN. I am a confirmed Bill fan but dont really see the need to speak about Mouthino in that level of detail so publicly unless he was hugely confident of it coming of. Not doing himself any favours.

Mate, when you don't need to sell and you don't want to sell you are in a strong negotiation position.

If you set an objective of reaching certain levels of performance and you make the commitment to the fans like Sporting has done, you can't just let go your most prized assets like Moutinho on his first whinning.

I think Bill maybe counting on Zahavi to manipulate the player's will....but guess what, if Sporting doesn't sell Moutinho and even if he drops his performances there are other players for whom Sporting can ask the same amount.

It's just a matter of not selling everyone for the best price. After last season's sale of Nani, money is not the most important thing at the club right now. Now the board can think about going to places and for that they need the best players they can afford. And for sure those sttled players already at the club are the best the club can get. And they're sticking to them.

At some point some you guys think they should be obliged to sell for the valuation Everton think is the fair one... And yes, the player's value matches what someone is about to pay...but in this case Sporting ain't looking for a sale, they want to keep the player.

This season the chairman said that Sporting had 20M euros available to sign players. They managed to spend only 9.5M euros. Which means Sporting still has 10M euros to spend if they need to. Why would they sell Moutinho in these conditions?

 

[HalewoodBlue]

Mate, when you don't need to sell and you don't want to sell you are in a strong negotiation position.

If you set an objective of reaching certain levels of performance and you make the commitment to the fans like Sporting has done, you can't just let go your most prized assets like Moutinho on his first whinning.

I think Bill maybe counting on Zahavi to manipulate the player's will....but guess what, if Sporting doesn't sell Moutinho and even if he drops his performances there are other players for whom Sporting can ask the same amount.

It's just a matter of not selling everyone for the best price. After last season's sale of Nani, money is not the most important thing at the club right now. Now the board can think about going to places and for that they need the best players they can afford. And for sure those sttled players already at the club are the best the club can get. And they're sticking to them.

At some point some you guys think they should be obliged to sell for the valuation Everton think is the fair one... And yes, the player's value matches what someone is about to pay...but in this case Sporting ain't looking for a sale, they want to keep the player.

This season the chairman said that Sporting had 20M euros available to sign players. They managed to spend only 9.5M euros. Which means Sporting still has 10M euros to spend if they need to. Why would they sell Moutinho in these conditions?

Totally agree. They don't need to sell and have told everton what they want. Upto us to either match that or stop messing about and move on
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[Dutch Toffee]

Mate, when you don't need to sell and you don't want to sell you are in a strong negotiation position.

If you set an objective of reaching certain levels of performance and you make the commitment to the fans like Sporting has done, you can't just let go your most prized assets like Moutinho on his first whinning.

I think Bill maybe counting on Zahavi to manipulate the player's will....but guess what, if Sporting doesn't sell Moutinho and even if he drops his performances there are other players for whom Sporting can ask the same amount.

It's just a matter of not selling everyone for the best price. After last season's sale of Nani, money is not the most important thing at the club right now. Now the board can think about going to places and for that they need the best players they can afford. And for sure those sttled players already at the club are the best the club can get. And they're sticking to them.

At some point some you guys think they should be obliged to sell for the valuation Everton think is the fair one... And yes, the player's value matches what someone is about to pay...but in this case Sporting ain't looking for a sale, they want to keep the player.

This season the chairman said that Sporting had 20M euros available to sign players. They managed to spend only 9.5M euros. Which means Sporting still has 10M euros to spend if they need to. Why would they sell Moutinho in these conditions?

Reading that, I'd say forget about Moutinho. Now there's a certain lad at Valencia, also a Portuguese, what's his name?

 

[Neiler]

Mate, when you don't need to sell and you don't want to sell you are in a strong negotiation position.

If you set an objective of reaching certain levels of performance and you make the commitment to the fans like Sporting has done, you can't just let go your most prized assets like Moutinho on his first whinning.

I think Bill maybe counting on Zahavi to manipulate the player's will....but guess what, if Sporting doesn't sell Moutinho and even if he drops his performances there are other players for whom Sporting can ask the same amount.

It's just a matter of not selling everyone for the best price. After last season's sale of Nani, money is not the most important thing at the club right now. Now the board can think about going to places and for that they need the best players they can afford. And for sure those sttled players already at the club are the best the club can get. And they're sticking to them.

At some point some you guys think they should be obliged to sell for the valuation Everton think is the fair one... And yes, the player's value matches what someone is about to pay...but in this case Sporting ain't looking for a sale, they want to keep the player.

This season the chairman said that Sporting had 20M euros available to sign players. They managed to spend only 9.5M euros. Which means Sporting still has 10M euros to spend if they need to. Why would they sell Moutinho in these conditions?

You cant fault Sporting really. If theres one thing Sporting have proved down through the years they get the total market value for a player who inevitebly moves to a leauge where clubs have more money. Nani, Ronaldo etc. They are dead right, its hard to say that that Mouthino isnt worth 20 mill given his age and what he has acheived both for club and coutry. I personally dont think Everton have the right to sign a player unless we are prepared to stump up the readiess, i am a little concerned that our reputation as hard bargainers will change to one of being skin flints or time wasters. In a way im not at all pleased about our contact in this affair, although i would dearly love to sign the player, its not unlike Real pursuit of Ronaldo or the shites pursuit of Barry which i despise!

In all fairness Sporting have a really good squad with Vuekiec, Veloso, Mouthino, i can only imagine the team you would have had if you had held onto Ronaldo and Nani.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Totally agree. They don't need to sell and have told everton what they want. Upto us to either match that or stop messing about and move on
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It seems absurd to waste time on this. Like you say, we either pay them the money or bugger off. And if we do end up paying, then why the feck didn't we 6 weeks ago? It is apparent that Lisbon will not sell one of their best players for less than has been quoted. WTF are we doing dragging are feet on this?

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

seems to me that a couple of million appears to be added to what sporting want each day, we are either speculating on what they want or not being told the truth or they are upping the stakes every day, yesterday it was that we were offering 19 & they want 23, today its 25. is this some kind of auction they are conducting with only us bidding?
everyone is getting a bit blase about the amount like it's loose change, if we fork this out he will have to basically win us the uefa cup, fa or league cup, and lead us into the c.l. or it's money down the pan, then when in c.l. we'll have to have a VERY good run past the group stage or we wont get anywhere near the investment back, i can see this going arse up and there'll be no way back, we are always unlucky and i think this could cripple us.
one day the big bubble will burst and at the moment we could survive it, if we start going down the 20 million plus route then we will expect it every year and i dont think it can be sustained, look at the trouble the rs would be in without c.l. qual, and theyve been in it getting the money from it on a regular basis.

 

[sotnas]

seems to me that a couple of million appears to be added to what sporting want each day, we are either speculating on what they want or not being told the truth or they are upping the stakes every day, yesterday it was that we were offering 19 & they want 23, today its 25. is this some kind of auction they are conducting with only us bidding?
everyone is getting a bit blase about the amount like it's loose change, if we fork this out he will have to basically win us the uefa cup, fa or league cup, and lead us into the c.l. or it's money down the pan, then when in c.l. we'll have to have a VERY good run past the group stage or we wont get anywhere near the investment back, i can see this going arse up and there'll be no way back, we are always unlucky and i think this could cripple us.
one day the big bubble will burst and at the moment we could survive it, if we start going down the 20 million plus route then we will expect it every year and i dont think it can be sustained, look at the trouble the rs would be in without c.l. qual, and theyve been in it getting the money from it on a regular basis.

Sorry mate, from day one the value has been the same 25M euros. Guess someone is speculating about it, but not Sporting.

It takes at least 2 for an auction, and Everton are the only ones who've come in for the lad.

I don't think the selling club has the duty to weight the inconveniences a high price would bring to the buying party.

You just can't come saying they're having any negative behaviour in this matter. I wouldn't say the same about Zahavi's conduct. Talking about wages with the player without an official agreement with the club? And if the agent tells the player how much Everton is willing to offer him to sign, I don't think the guy came to any figure on his own.

I think Rooney was sold on a higher value without any achievment in his career.

And looking at Ronaldo and Rooney's career's and transfer values I'd say Ronaldo was the pick of the bunch. He cost half the price and scores two times more.

So i'd say that a Sporting youth system product would stand good value for money.

 

[coyney]

to be honest if as I think we can not afford the asking price,then sadly we should just move on I just wish we had shown the same resolve when shreks head got turned

 

[amablueski]

Totally unrelated to the topic, but who thinks that Granny shagger Rooney has NOT turned into the player that we thought he was. I think the move to Utd was a bad career move. It makes me so happy watching the fat muppet trying to play football these days.

30m? Ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhah

You was robbed SIR ALEX, ROBBED!!!!!!!!!

 

[dave1001]

Totally unrelated to the topic, but who thinks that Granny shagger Rooney has NOT turned into the player that we thought he was. I think the move to Utd was a bad career move. It makes me so happy watching the fat muppet trying to play football these days.

30m? Ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhah

You was robbed SIR ALEX, ROBBED!!!!!!!!!

Watching him against Newcatle the other day and he didn't look asgood on the ball and his shooting was poor.
We say this until he plays us then he will be awesome.

 

[kenada_blue]

Totally unrelated to the topic, but who thinks that Granny shagger Rooney has NOT turned into the player that we thought he was. I think the move to Utd was a bad career move. It makes me so happy watching the fat muppet trying to play football these days.

30m? Ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhah

You was robbed SIR ALEX, ROBBED!!!!!!!!!

I'd have to agree.

The Mirror had a great artcile a few months back. Said Rooney was supposed to be the English Maradonna when he broke on the scene at Everton. But what happened? Clubs are trying to break the bank to bag Ronaldo but no-one is even interested in Rooney -- Real, Barca, Chelsea -- anyone with money, no one wants him.

It said that he moved to Man Utd and was played out of position. At Everton he would've been an out and out striker. At Man Utd he's an attacking mid, support striker, winger? Even Fergie came out and said we need to find out what's his best position.

He never runs at players, never tries to beat them, scare them, no fear, have a go at anything type of player anymore. In comparrison to the worlds best players at the moment, he's average in my eyes. He doesnt win or change games. All he does now is get a cob on and kick people.
For England he's worst.

 

[recharred]

Hello, first post in these parts, 27 year old lifetime fan here.

I think the most important factor in all of this is that Zahivi is representing both us and the player, which is what gave me the real hope of signing him all those weeks ago. Forget Moyes dithering or not, Kenwright lying or not, Zahivi would not be wasting his time on this if he didnt think a deal would happen, especially with how long its taking. If there was no chance of Sporting dropping their asking price, or of accepting a convoluted deal with several payments all over the place, then Zahivi would have told us to pay up or move on.

In terms of our own transfers, I think (and indeed I hope) our whole approach has hinged on the Moutinho deal. He is the player that Moyes has wanted since day one, and he doesnt know how much money he has for other targets until the Moutinho deal is sorted.

There's not been many big transfers go through this summer, let alone any that I wish we had (apart from maybe Keane, but I'm almost as happy seeing the redshites paying way over the odds for him), I think its going to be a hectic last week of transfers for all clubs.

COYB

 

[Neiler]

Hello, first post in these parts, 27 year old lifetime fan here.

I think the most important factor in all of this is that Zahivi is representing both us and the player, which is what gave me the real hope of signing him all those weeks ago. Forget Moyes dithering or not, Kenwright lying or not, Zahivi would not be wasting his time on this if he didnt think a deal would happen, especially with how long its taking. If there was no chance of Sporting dropping their asking price, or of accepting a convoluted deal with several payments all over the place, then Zahivi would have told us to pay up or move on.

In terms of our own transfers, I think (and indeed I hope) our whole approach has hinged on the Moutinho deal. He is the player that Moyes has wanted since day one, and he doesnt know how much money he has for other targets until the Moutinho deal is sorted.

There's not been many big transfers go through this summer, let alone any that I wish we had (apart from maybe Keane, but I'm almost as happy seeing the redshites paying way over the odds for him), I think its going to be a hectic last week of transfers for all clubs.

COYB

Your very welcome mate! Excellent first post!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Rooney is top quality for me, not as good as he was hyped to be but he's still a very good player. He looked better at Everton because he played in a [Poor language removed] team, at Man utd he players with players at his level or even better so he doesn't look as good.

Ferguson has also made him more of a team player, he holds his position better and doesn't run around like a mad man anymore. Positionially he's alot better and he's less on an individual.

Man utd are half the team without him, I don't think they lost a game with him in team last season. Similar to Cahill with us, he's a vital member of the first eleven even if he isn't the most talented Man utd player.

His movement, touch and intelligence of the ball creates space for the likes of Ronaldo to score the goals. Has anyone ever noticed than Ronald looks half the player when he's not playing with Rooney, he's definatly better to watch when he's got Rooney alongside him.

20 goals a season for a second striker is a good record, it's not like he's out and out. He plays in deeper positions so he's never going to score as many as the likes of Torres and Adebayor. He creates alot aswell which people don't recoqnize.

He's [Poor language removed] for England but so is everyone, Joe Cole's the only one who ever stands out. For Man utd he's a class act, I hate to say it but he is.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Ferguson has also made him more of a team player, he holds his position better and doesn't run around like a mad man anymore. Positionially he's alot better and he's less on an individual.

Agreed but for me, thats made him less of a player.