2025/26 David Moyes

[Gilbert..]

The season stats so far are quite bizare looking at the breakdown. Exact same stats home and away. Exact same wins draws and losses. 14 points at home. 14 away. GD -1 at home. GD -1 away. Weird lol.

My personal view is i think we are where our ability is. Hovering around with other clubs that wont get relegated and wont make Europe. In general most teams do better at home. We've vunerable to results like that yesterday because, and Moyes even said it yesterday, the onus is on you as the home team to attack. We tend to look a better unit when we're protecting the back four.
It might sound a bit simple but one of the next steps i think is to start buying defenders who dont look exposed to pace when not protected. We've conceded 10 away this season. 14 at home. We tend to sit away from home. The clues are there.
You cant do or change everything at once. But we clearly need to look at the back four. It might not seem it just on actual goals conceded stats. But take away that protective body and you can start to see a problem.

 

[Drico]

I wouldn't say it's fans protecting Moyes per se think it's people hedging their bets as we've had a rough few years so it's hard to accept things might turn round very quick

It's PTSD.

 

[NathDogg]

The odd thing about yesterday for me was in the pre match build up Moyes did a little interview where he spoke about Brentford and how he is a big fan of what they do (even under Frank) they can go long, pass it about, they can set piece you, etc,etc. Then during the actual match we did nothing to actually prevent the way they played other than in the first 5-10mins.

Moyes has got that in him I’m afraid, has done for years. Seems he identifies things but does nothing to counter them, and is a reactive manager anyway. Team selection and use of subs has always been an issue, plus his lack of belief and bravery - he’s just to risk averse, especially at home, and it bites us on the ass more often than it works, but can work away from home.

We’re started ok tbh, made their keeper make some saves and had one cleared off the line, but there is always a question mark about the team defensively when Tarks and Keane play for me, which was exposed badly yesterday.

Moyes can’t legislate for his captain smashing a ball into a midfielder whos got three opposition players around him to give away the first goal, but he can see what worked against Forest and set us up similar - for me Forest and Brentford have similar strengths.

They didn’t have to do much to batter us yesterday, aside from be organised, run & press hard and add a smudge of shithousery to their play, albeit they were helped by a truly abysmal referee.

Just not good enough from any Everton manager or team.

 

[balggy]

The big issue with Moyes is, TFG want to sign transfers for the long term, but Moyes isn’t the manager for the long term.

To the extent TFG bring in young hungry players for the future, how can they have any confidence Moyes will play and develop them?

If Moyes had his choice, we would have signed more “Premier League ready” “tried and tested” players in the summer. He would want total control of incomings.

Unfortunately, football isn’t like that anymore. Outside the sky 6, not many can sign a player with no sell-on value for the here and now.

Moyes is at Everton until May 2027 at the very latest (personally I think he will be gone before). If TFG are dropping decent money on a player, it will be on someone who they envisage being at the club beyond then.

 

[Clarky cat]

which manager wouldn't miss £55m of starting talent. for the record?

David Moyes.

 

[Rita_Poon]

The odd thing about yesterday for me was in the pre match build up Moyes did a little interview where he spoke about Brentford and how he is a big fan of what they do (even under Frank) they can go long, pass it about, they can set piece you, etc,etc. Then during the actual match we did nothing to actually prevent the way they played other than in the first 5-10mins.

Once they realised McNeil couldn't handle the running they could do they just cut him out of the game and were able to commit players into forward areas to pressure us and be available for the easy pass. They were a man over on every attack. That's why we were all at sea. It needed changing once we had noticed they'd figured us out. That didn't happen, and it's solely on Moyes.

When the players are bickering and JT is having a go at the manager pitch side, there is clearly a problem. I know he's players down, I know we've got players woeful out of form, but that yesterday was a fiasco. Comms read it at the time, there had to be a way to negate their established advanced possession. Shooting fish in a barrel yesterday.

 

[Drago]

I wouldn't say it's fans protecting Moyes per se think it's people hedging their bets as we've had a rough few years so it's hard to accept things might turn round very quick

There's no doubt we had awful owners that appointed bad managers, wasted money hand over fist and made us a total laughing stock.

If these new owners have anything about them, they'll be finding a modern manager to appoint in the Summer. If they give Moyes another contract then we may as well all stop going, we'll never see Everton do anything exciting. The match was an expensive day 20 years ago when he was last here, but now it's obscene and I'm just not paying it to watch us do nothing.

 

[Moomin]

Probably the most recent example to use for me is Crystal Palace and Roy Hodgson.

He stabilised the club when it was in danger but had to step down when ill ( May have been closed to the sack?? @Alan Whittle can maybe comment )

He was a steady manager who will setup not to lose, like Moyes in my eyes.

They went and got Glasner and won their first major honour.

We will win nothing with Moyes, he will probably be gone in the summer but if we have a target in mind we should go all out and get them now and move on from Moyes.

 

[davek]

“We don’t concede four goals too often and we conceded them in a really shabby manner,” Moyes said. “If you compare how we defended in midweek to today it just doesn’t stack up.”

It doesn't stack up to him but it does to everyone else: he dismantled the CB pairing that's looked most accomplished and shoehorned Keane into CD and O'Brien out of there.

The feller's either a fool or BS artist. Either way he's not fit to manage this club.

 

[davek]

....this, by the way, is how a client journalist begins his excuse-laden article to remain in favour with the manager he's always backed.

"The atmosphere in the stadium was flat before kick-off and David Moyes’s side mirrored the mood." - Andy Hunter, The Guardian.

All the fans fault you see.

Moyes has got these sycophants all over the media lying about his 'quality'.

It's all a fabrication for a man with a thimbleful of real coaching talent.

 

[Fonzy]

Probably the most recent example to use for me is Crystal Palace and Roy Hodgson.

He stabilised the club when it was in danger but had to step down when ill ( May have been closed to the sack?? @Alan Whittle can maybe comment )

He was a steady manager who will setup not to lose, like Moyes in my eyes.

They went and got Glasner and won their first major honour.

We will win nothing with Moyes, he will probably be gone in the summer but if we have a target in mind we should go all out and get them now and move on from Moyes.

Moyes has served his purpose that simple. At 62 he can’t be the long term manager for a project…equally he’s too old to adapt/change his style.

Be best for everyone if he is informed the club wish to move in a different direction this summer without him

 

[NathDogg]

....this, by the way, is how a client journalist begins his excuse-laden article to remain in favour with the manager he's always backed.

"The atmosphere in the stadium was flat before kick-off and David Moyes’s side mirrored the mood." - Andy Hunter, The Guardian.

All the fans fault you see.

Moyes has got these sycophants all over the media lying about his 'quality'.

It's all a fabrication for a man with a thimbleful of real coaching talent.

Bs from Hunter, but I have to say, the 15 minute long air raid siren before kick off when they couldn’t find Johnny Todd killed the mood a little.

Seriously, The crowd were up for it until our captain smashed a ball into Tim when he was surrounded by Brentford players and we gave a stupid goal away.

It was not fine before that, like a pin going into a balloon after it.

 

[davek]

The manager's job is to find solutions. If a manager is dependent on having his best team out for results, he's not going to cut it at any club. I didn't expect four wins from Burnley, Forest, Brentford, and Wolves, but I felt we needed to be getting eight or nine points from those games if we were truly upwardly mobile. At best now, we can get seven. Not the end of the world if we fall a point or two short, I suppose, but the manner of that implosion yesterday brings everything into question. That wasn't us losing 2-4 to a top six club with more resources. It was us being hammered at home by Keith Andrews.

If Moyes was going to make the case for staying on, he needed to make it in December and January. At the very least now, he has to beat Wolves and get past Sunderland. If he can't do that, he's unsuitable for the role.

I think the stats were that Brentford had lost 7 out of 9 on the road up to yesterday and that they'd had 96 corners all season and failed to capitalise on one...then they met Everton away from home.

Make no mistake: Burnley and Brentford should have been in the bag: 6 points no questions asked; Forest we got a win where I thought we should do well anyway; Wolves is not only winnable but we better smash them by 3/4 goals because they are quite simply appalling and we're coming off that disaster yesterday and Moyes is a flat track bully.

Sunderland is the one for me: we need hope, we need something to hang onto. If we go out of the cup on Saturday the air goes out of this club in a big way. Our new found hopes for a fresh start will be extinguished within 6 months.

Woe betide Moyes if he gets that one wrong and we fail to progress. He wont be sacked off the back of a loss, but the fans wont ever forget it.

The truth of the matter is that this club is too big for him now.

 

[davek]

Bs from Hunter, but I have to say, the 15 minute long air raid siren before kick off when they couldn’t find Johnny Todd killed the mood a little.

Seriously, The crowd were up for it until our captain smashed a ball into Tim when he was surrounded by Brentford players and we gave a stupid goal away.

It was not fine before that, like a pin going into a balloon after it.

I thought one of the players had to go for a .

Hunter by the way demanded Everton sack Martinez when we fell to where we are under Moyes right now.

That's how much of a sycophant the feller is. He's as client hack for Moyes as they come.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Probably the most recent example to use for me is Crystal Palace and Roy Hodgson.

He stabilised the club when it was in danger but had to step down when ill ( May have been closed to the sack?? @Alan Whittle can maybe comment )

He was a steady manager who will setup not to lose, like Moyes in my eyes.

They went and got Glasner and won their first major honour.

We will win nothing with Moyes, he will probably be gone in the summer but if we have a target in mind we should go all out and get them now and move on from Moyes.

Hodgson was Palace manager from 2017 -2021, taking over from Big Sam. During that period we were not really ever in danger of going down or winning anything. He came back in 2023 after Vieira got the sack. We were in danger of the drop and he steered us away. He started the following season but was really not physically up to it. Missed a game or two through illness and then Glasner joined.
Lovely fella, dreadful football. Regarded with fondness by Palace fans who don't ever want him back (even if he was up to it).