Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

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I think there is one more big play for the premier league which is to ditch providers like SKy and BT and do their own Netflix style App. Also for the established top clubs there is also the super league carrot for new owners

I agree, but I also think it's a lot harder than people think.

Netflix is a wildly successful company, and has only recently started making cash as a profit. Amazon loses money on it, it isnt working for Disney, DAZN are effectively bankrupt, and Paramount/Warner brothers are acknowledging they are not proving successful.

It's a very hard market to crack. And honestly, in terms of governance, I'm not convinced football will have the expertise to do this.
 

With these profit and sustainability rules in place which are set to tighten surely new owners with a track record of success in running sports teams would be the way to go rather than oil money. It is possible to compete to a degree with less if you are smart

In terms of valuation I can’t see anything like a billion considering our current financial position and the real risk of relegation

My 1bn valuation is after debt, so subtract 500m for stadium and say 150m to Moshiri and essentially its 350m. That's a best case scenario.

I agree re the next point though. Everyone has rich owners, so spending well matters more than just spending. I'd hope any new ownership team will get rid of the worst board in football. That would automatically be a huge win for us.
 
Everton will be worth about 1 billion imo. The value of the squad alone is about 400 million Euro, and the new stadium will cost around 500 million. Whether Moshiri is able to find someone to pay that is another issue, but Everton’s assets after the new stadium is built will be valued in the region of 1 billion.
 

I do agree with a lot of that. I think the 1bn is peak value, but you then have to subtract debt and other commitments.

The only other point I'd say, is those top clubs are not actually that well run. In terms of profitability, they are low margin businesses, who dont always make profits. Even if you use a 5 year average on profitability, they are often being valued at over 100 x earnings, which is insane. They're not even massively asset heavy businesses (in a conventional sense). They also require huge capital spends most years to remain at the top. It's sort of why I see people bailing.

Like honestly, in a conventional valuation, I'd have the top teams at maybe 500-1bn, and Everton I think would not be worth the debt.

I think profitability is a bit distorted mate given that football finance is recovering from Covid, but i take your point in general. The following is an average over a good few years:

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When it comes to valuation though, while overall profits may be meagre - essentially football clubs by nature arent supposed to be profitable - what is important is that the business can sustain itself in terms of cost. As above you can see the likes of Mordor, Utd, City and Spurs can wash their own face by that i mean afford top wages transfer fees, be competitive for prizes and commercially and the owners dont have to worry about funding the club. Take the Glazers, they paid nothing for Utd, leveraged debt of 1 billion, paid a lot of it down with excess revenue from the club and now it may be worth 4-6 billion. They always have the insurance of selling players if they run into trouble. That is very attractive, so pay nothing, let the club fund itself, let the asset sit there for a decade, let it appreciate, let revenue grow and make a 400% profit on a billion. Same with Mordor.

Compare that to Everton above, we arent attractive for investment because essentially we have nothing of the above, we are a risk in need of huge capital to operate. Because we aren't attractive, we will attract the type of owner who will take us on as high risk with a specific plan to manage the club. We cant wash our own face at the moment essentially, so while we have appealing factors we are high risk for an investor. I wouldn't buy into us based on the above, so essentially that will bring down our overall valuation. Even if the business wasn't a basket case, i dont think we would be worth 1 billion - pre stadium, just my take.

The only game in town for us, is to become self sustainable. I personally think we are low hanging fruit for the wrong investor/owner at the moment.
 
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I think profitability is a bit distorted mate given that football finance is recovering from Covid, but i take your point in general. The following is an average over a good few years:

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When it comes to valuation though, while overall profits may be meagre - essentially football clubs by nature arent supposed to be profitable - what is important is that the business can sustain itself in terms of cost. As above you can see the likes of Mordor, Utd, City and Spurs can wash their own face by that i mean afford top wages transfer fees, be competitive for prizes and commercially and the owners dont have to worry about funding the club. Take the Glazers, they paid nothing for Utd, leveraged debt of 1 billion, paid a lot of it down with excess revenue from the club and now it may be worth 4-6 billion. They always have the insurance of selling players if they run into trouble. That is very attractive, so pay nothing, let the club fund itself, let the asset sit there for a decade, let it appreciate, let revenue grow and make a 400% profit on a billion. Same with Mordor.

Compare that to Everton above, we arent attractive for investment because essentially we have nothing of the above, we are a risk in need of huge capital to operate. Because we aren't attractive, we will attract the type of owner who will take us on as high risk with a specific plan to manage the club. We cant wash our own face at the moment essentially, so while we have appealing factors we are high risk for an investor. I wouldn't buy into us based on the above, so essentially that will bring down our overall valuation. Even if the business wasn't a basket case, i dont think we would be worth 1 billion - pre stadium, just my take.

The only game in town for us, is to become self sustainable. I personally think we are low hanging fruit for the wrong investor/owner at the moment.


Yes interesting points. Just some thoughts:

1) Most investments should focus on profit. Football seems to be valued on capital accumulation, which is odd, as they dont fit the profile of businesses that benefit from this (essentially, high margin, low capex, tech start ups). Football is far removed from this.

2) Football has had a long bull market, but this could start to slow in terms of its CAGR rate. I think that's why Glazier/FSG are looking to sell (or partially).

3) Businessss that are sustainable work, but honestly even the better businesses above are barely sustainable. Wages to turnover is often 70%+ and there arent that many new revenues streams for them (which is partly what motivated ESL).

It's actually quite hate for those teams, as they have to carry a huge wage bill, which requires top 4 qualification to sustain it.

4) In terms of us, I'm not sure what the wrong type of investor would see in us. We have no assets, we have an unprofitable business etc. I would imagine we would suit an owner who felt he could accept some short term losses for longer term gain by radically improving the management. Theres a lot of decent fundamentals (name, history and new stadium) but short term challenges. Similar to what FSG did at Liverpool as it were.

If course it's not that easy, and honestly, I wouldnt take that bet on. If I had cash, I'd buy LFC/MUFC and sweat the asset, however unpopular it seems. Or in all honesty, I'd invest in a sector that produced stable profits.
 

Everton boardroom source: Full takeover 'closer than people think'​

A full takeover of Everton by US investors is edging closer, sources have told Football Insider.

The future ownership of the Merseyside club has been the subject of intense speculation since Farhad Moshiri went public with his desire to secure investment in July.



A source close to the Everton boardroom has told Football Insider that there have been new developments behind in the scenes.




No mate.
Yes mate...and Ronaldo it'll be a modern day Christmas Miracle

As somebody said "...The Christmas we get, we deserve."
 
A new owner that would oversee completion of the stadium, do a boardroom and exec clear out, and run us prudently.

Anything else would be a bonus. I don't think we have a chance of attracting big oil or other sort of investment, but that doesn't mean the business cannot grow.

As long as it's not leveraged investment.
 
A new owner that would oversee completion of the stadium, do a boardroom and exec clear out, and run us prudently.

Anything else would be a bonus. I don't think we have a chance of attracting big oil or other sort of investment, but that doesn't mean the business cannot grow.

As long as it's not leveraged investment.
I do.

That stadium has about 18 months 'till completion. Nothing will stop it happening. It'll be transformative for Everton. A club situated in the city of Liverpool would be of major interest for investors of that description you gave. The PL is getting bigger and bigger. The City owners were sniffing about this club and were knocked back by Kenwright. It's inconceivable we couldn't attract major investment. I've said this before, but Moshiri should be seen as our Shinawatra, the precursor to a real game changing improvement in our fortunes.
 

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