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Farhad Moshiri Interview

Farhad Moshiri is hopeful Carlo Ancelotti‘s experience will ensure he’s well placed to manage Evertonian expectations.

Speaking to Jim White on talkSPORT, Farhad Moshiri said: “I’ve been here for some time. We’ve had managers from Wigan, Southampton, Watford – they’ve always had their impact but we’ve invested heavily into a group of players – they’re all internationals so we think they would benefit from someone with pedigree. It has nothing to do with Hollywood, really. I’ve had my most enjoyable time with Duncan and we’re really grateful to him, this is the club and I think we just need to keep this. That’s the most valuable aspect of Everton, not Hollywood. You know, this passion, celebration of fans and the manager together and Carlo [Ancelotti] is a real football man, we hope with Duncan [Ferguson] next to him we keep the passion and we build on it”.

On being asked on the significance of the appointment after Koeman, Allardyce and Silva, Moshiri said: “Look, Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.

“I think it’s very hard, so what we’ve noticed for young managers is it’s difficult to cope because you have the bad runs but I think the fans didn’t give you any time and strengths of Goodison is the passion of the fans and once you lose that, you lose a lot and so I think particularly Silva was a very talented coach, I think and you know when gods of football are not kind to you, what do you do? You lose 6 points through VAR. Everything goes wrong, he loses 70% of his midfield but I think a good general is a lucky one, that’s the thing. We hope we’ve got a lucky general now”.

When asked if he is hopeful Carlo Ancelotti is the man to win Everton a trophy, Moshiri said “I think we have a good base. We’ve been unlucky, Duncan has given the passion and the belief but we have still got some very difficult games. We play Burnley at home but then Man City away and Liverpool away in the FA Cup. All these games take a lot out of players but I think, you know they’ve got the belief back and 4 days rest will do them the world of good. We’re hopeful”

On whether Moshiri is enjoying his time at Everton, and whether he truly understood what it was going to be getting involved in taking over the club Moshiri said: “Well, it was supposed to be 5% of my time, not 95%. I think it’s just a very, very, one of the most difficult clubs. We dont have the financial base but the fans expectation is huge. I think this miss-match somehow needs to be resolved. We’ve put a lot of money in to give the club a platform to match fans expectation and sometimes, it’s just too much for a young manager that’s why we hope an experience manager can cope and deal with it better.”

  1. [QUOTE=”royalblue66, post: 7524277, member: 15740″]
    I am.
    [/QUOTE]

    well then you have few worries in ye life

  2. [QUOTE=”nsno-chris, post: 7524275, member: 10718″]
    why would anyone be arsed if someone has red Christmas decorations?
    [/QUOTE]
    You forgot the Koeman saga which made me chuckle.

  3. [QUOTE=”BernieH, post: 7524260, member: 46939″]
    Why would a picyure of him with a Bayern Munich tree, when he managed them, count as a loss? Clue, they wear red.
    [/QUOTE]
    Gutted you took my post serious tbh.

  4. [QUOTE=”nsno-chris, post: 7524275, member: 10718″]
    why would anyone be arsed if someone has red Christmas decorations?
    [/QUOTE]
    I am.

  5. [QUOTE=”BernieH, post: 7524260, member: 46939″]
    Why would a picyure of him with a Bayern Munich tree, when he managed them, count as a loss? Clue, they wear red.
    [/QUOTE]

    why would anyone be arsed if someone has red Christmas decorations?

  6. [QUOTE=”Izzy1878, post: 7523152, member: 47766″]
    This counts as a loss. Ancelotti is now one loss away from being disowned Moshy me laddo. [ATTACH type=”full” alt=”EMksjAjW4AAjlEc.jpg”]74799[/ATTACH]
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    Why would a picyure of him with a Bayern Munich tree, when he managed them, count as a loss? Clue, they wear red.

  7. If you’re a Blue and aren’t currently as excited as a kid in a toy shop, then just give up and follow curling or summat.

  8. [QUOTE=”Sentinel, post: 7523196, member: 37364″]
    To say the boo boys come out after two losses is absurd. Here’s the thing, the board have appointed incompetents. The ball is in their court. Kenwright hired Moyes because, Smith recommended him, otherwise we would have had Gary Megson. As supporters we don’t get to make the choice but if you hire muppets to run/manage our club, damn right their gonna get a hard time.

    This time they’ve got it right, nobody is gonna be on Ancelotti’s back after a couple of defeats. The players yes, cause now they literally have no place to hide. This idea that Evertonian’s are toxic is right out the RAWK playbook. And incidentally do any of you remember the pissy fits they were pulling when H&G were in charge? If anything, considering the nonsense we’ve had to put up with, Evertonians have been positively restrained. There’s no supporters on this planet that aren’t as self-entitled as kopites.

    Hopefully Moshiri has finally woken up to what it means to run Everton. And it’s not the supporters who need re-aligning, it’s the board who have mismanaged this club since Moores.
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    The Everton board despise the fans because we continuously highlight their failures. They would like us to be content with boring football and merely staying in the league but unfortunately the clowns they keep hiring can barely achieve this so it’s a convenient one for the board to blame the fans. It’s not the two home losses that gets the fans on a managers backs it’s the half season of complete ineptitude that preceded it.

  9. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7522339, member: 8777″]
    Indeed.

    It’s a society thing and it’s made its way in to football.

    Look at the abuse we give our own players. As soon as we’re on the receiving end of it or were rightly pulled up for something everyone is up in arms.

    I’m convinced some people look for bad news to jump on so they can use it as a vehicle for their hate and negativity. It justifies their mindset for them.
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    HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT I LOOK FOR. BAD NEWS

  10. Good point Sentinel. That happened on the railways in this area yesterday. Kenwright for me as never been any good and is in it for himself. Moshri whilst taken for a fool has really used his wealth to have a go.

  11. When management turn around and say the workers are to blame. Red flags right there. No. You’re incompetent decisions are the reason we’re down the creek. Stop the self flagellating and appoint blame were it belongs.

  12. To say the boo boys come out after two losses is absurd. Here’s the thing, the board have appointed incompetents. The ball is in their court. Kenwright hired Moyes because, Smith recommended him, otherwise we would have had Gary Megson. As supporters we don’t get to make the choice but if you hire muppets to run/manage our club, damn right their gonna get a hard time.

    This time they’ve got it right, nobody is gonna be on Ancelotti’s back after a couple of defeats. The players yes, cause now they literally have no place to hide. This idea that Evertonian’s are toxic is right out the RAWK playbook. And incidentally do any of you remember the pissy fits they were pulling when H&G were in charge? If anything, considering the nonsense we’ve had to put up with, Evertonians have been positively restrained. There’s no supporters on this planet that aren’t as self-entitled as kopites.

    Hopefully Moshiri has finally woken up to what it means to run Everton. And it’s not the supporters who need re-aligning, it’s the board who have mismanaged this club since Moores.

  13. This counts as a loss. Ancelotti is now one loss away from being disowned Moshy me laddo. [ATTACH type=”full”]74799[/ATTACH]

  14. The fact that Farhad is actually influenced by what we think is a good thing me thinks. I mean other chairmen couldn’t give a rats ass if the crowd are on the players backs. What he is saying is that he recognises the crowds importance in driving the team forwards. It’s like an extra player. He’s seen it first hand recently against Chelsea. He loves us when we get behind the team. Conversely he also understands that once we lose a few home games the boo boys start to come out in force. He knows how much this effects the confidence of his expensively assembled team. He doesn’t like this, it’s a negative force that eats away at his manager. He puts up with it though as he doesn’t know what else to do…

    I remember when Big Sam was in charge. I went to a home game vs Leicester. We won convincingly. Unfortunately a lot of the season ticket holders around me weren’t present to watch this victory. They had stopped going to the match in protest. I remember thinking to myself talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! Compared to the Moyes era a large section of fans have, in my opinion, changed for the worse. It smacks of toxicity and entitlement. if allowed to fester it could eventually see us relegated!

    Merry Xmas

  15. [QUOTE=”4737carlin, post: 7522216, member: 17264″]
    Ive been thinking this as well, for example all the moaning about the feed the scousers song. Been hearing it for years, but all of a sudden its offensive, yes i know about foodbanks and austerity but we have gone down the faux outrage route, considering how much down the years we have tried to wind other fans up its a bit hypocritical.
    [/QUOTE]
    Indeed.

    It’s a society thing and it’s made its way in to football.

    Look at the abuse we give our own players. As soon as we’re on the receiving end of it or were rightly pulled up for something everyone is up in arms.

    I’m convinced some people look for bad news to jump on so they can use it as a vehicle for their hate and negativity. It justifies their mindset for them.

  16. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7522185, member: 8777″]
    The reaction in here sums up the fan base to a tee.

    We’re turning in to that lot; “offended by everything….”
    [/QUOTE]
    Ive been thinking this as well, for example all the moaning about the feed the scousers song. Been hearing it for years, but all of a sudden its offensive, yes i know about foodbanks and austerity but we have gone down the faux outrage route, considering how much down the years we have tried to wind other fans up its a bit hypocritical.

  17. The reaction in here sums up the fan base to a tee.

    We’re turning in to that lot; “offended by everything….”

  18. [QUOTE=”Catfish Blues, post: 7519336, member: 9790″]
    Although it’s a stupid thing for him to say, he’s not far off the mark with that.
    Obviously he, his money and his words, have caused that situation, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
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    Well considering we haven’t won anything in 20 years and Everton constantly find ever more ridiculous ways to lose matches, I think it’s a bizarre comment. When you consider we sell out every home and away match, despite watching the rubbish we do, the comment become even more ridiculous. We haven’t beaten our local rivals in 10 years and haven’t got to a final in 10 years, so I’d say to suggest Everton fans are like, lets say Arsenal fans who lose a few games then want the manager out or turn on the players is ridiculous. Other supporters would be far less tolerant of our appalling performances.

  19. [QUOTE=”Tramps_mate, post: 7521650, member: 11703″]
    No. Our competition have gotten better in this time. We’re still the same. Leicester, Wolves, Tottenham, etc etc have all improved massively where as Kenright prevented us from growing. Moshiri is trying. But ultimately his choice of managers hasn’t work so far…
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    He shouldn’t have been choosing them though.

  20. [QUOTE=”Rooney_Tunes, post: 7521602, member: 53040″]
    Was the PE teacher really a DOF though?
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    Is Brands?

  21. Mr Moshiri is on a personal journey. He is learning the hard way what is expected of Everton, a sleeper club for sure. He has made mistakes along the way. However we’ve ended up with a top class manager and backroom team now. I prey the fans give them the time they need. Not so sure though.

  22. [QUOTE=”brieverton, post: 7519516, member: 39206″]
    He will have to work with what he has got to a large extent, re-building takes time, money, and patience.

    Three successful signings down the spine of the team would work wonders for us.

    We can aim for those in January or the summer but too many signings too soon has been a downfall of its own with us and just breeds instability and incoherency.

    But I’d still expect him to unlock an improvement in results working with what he has got.

    The standard in the league is dreadful overall, so having a manger of real calibre should bring an upturn in itself really, notwithstanding the considerable work that lies ahead.
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    I agree, but if we are to move forward then a centre half, midfielder and striker are needed.
    If he can get this lot up the table then he’s even better than I thought.

  23. Who really cares, if Moshiri delivers what he wants us to achieve then he can spout off all he wants.

  24. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521537, member: 1745″]
    In Europe multiple times under Kenwright on a budget of buttons. It makes perfect sense that we’d have continued that trend within four seasons.

    I in no way advocate Kenwright, btw. But that his tenure was way better than Moshiri’s is the ultimate condemnation of his time here. It’s been appalling.
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    No. Our competition have gotten better in this time. We’re still the same. Leicester, Wolves, Tottenham, etc etc have all improved massively where as Kenright prevented us from growing. Moshiri is trying. But ultimately his choice of managers hasn’t work so far…

  25. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521504, member: 1745″]
    An expensively paid job for such a narrow remit.

    He has to go. His model is dead and we now have a manager with no use for him.
    [/QUOTE]
    You may be right. I’m sure if Ancelloti wants to take control over most aspects of recruitment and structure, Brands could be moved aside.

  26. Intentions and competency are two different things and i think this gets lost in the debate. It doesn’t have to be a poloarised debate.

    Moshiri has invested in the club, so i wouldn’t question the good will of his intentions. A fool and his money though.

    Yet his competency in decision making is questionable, we’ve had a series of unsuccessful managerial appointments, five reboots, a squad assembled under being kind four different managers that has never looked balanced. We have had a basket case board, and two different DOF’s whose authority has come under scrutiny in different ways. While we are a few weeks off the worst set of accounts in the clubs history.

    His good will in terms of investment might not be under scrutiny but his ability to action and make effective that investment certainly is.

    Im not wholly sure the club holistically is in a better place then when he took over.

    Hopefully the ground gets over the line though and he has lucked out with Anchelloti.

  27. [QUOTE=”Daveysgingerlovechild, post: 7521579, member: 23149″]
    Well, after 4 managers perhaps, like most reasonably intelligent human beings you might spot a pattern? “Ohhhhh, this is happening again”. What is being a football person? None of us are born with an innate understanding of football, we all learn. Perhaps the boss should too?

    Plus, what are the “football people” around him doing? “It’s all fine Farhad, expected loss. No worries”.

    Sorry Mate, dont agree at all.
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    I’m agreeing with you, just trying to pin point where he is detached from the rest of us. That said, it sounds like the 4 games under Ferguson opened his eyes a bit with regards to what the fans will get behind.

    I think Bill [I]is[/I] a football person, but he’s always been clouded by sentiment and wanting to be everyone’s friend. Brands clearly is, but I’ve no idea how loud his voice is in the board room.

  28. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521584, member: 1745″]
    ^^^ All of which underlines the point that he’s a meddler and a nuisance for a football club. We’ll never have stability with him backseat driving. [B]Two DoF[/B] he’s had in and over-ruled and discounted both of them. WTF is the point employing these people?

    He’s a loose cannon.

    I said a while back that he’s our Jesus Gil, and I was bang on right about that.
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    Was the PE teacher really a DOF though?

  29. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521584, member: 1745″]
    ^^^ All of which underlines the point that he’s a meddler and a nuisance for a football club. We’ll never have stability with him backseat driving. Two DoF he’s had in and over-ruled and discounted both of them. WTF is the point employing these people?

    He’s a loose cannon.

    I said a while back that he’s our Jesus Gil, and I was bang on right about that.
    [/QUOTE]

    Lol do people actually still fall for your crap

  30. [QUOTE=”Rooney_Tunes, post: 7521570, member: 53040″]
    Don’t agree Dave. My opinion is he came here and he was all excited; PL team, Koeman as manager, no DOF, thought we would win the league within two seasons. The next couple of years were sobering, him coming to the realisation that it was not as easy as he thought it would be.

    So he tears up his first blueprint, and decides to start over. Brings in Marcel, starts listening to him.

    Remember, it was a few of the posters on here (wrong forum maybe), and the Media saying Marcel wanted to keep Marco, and he wanted Moyes.

    The man worked with the best, he wants the best for this club. So Moshiri chats, Ancelotti becomes available, and this time he listens to his Director of Football, and not Bill.

    They make the offer, he accepts, they tell him he will have the money to spend.

    This is just an opinion, and I’m sure who will shoot most of this down, but be gentle please.:cool:
    [/QUOTE]
    ^^^ All of which underlines the point that he’s a meddler and a nuisance for a football club. We’ll never have stability with him backseat driving. Two DoF he’s had in and over-ruled and discounted both of them. WTF is the point employing these people?

    He’s a loose cannon.

    I said a while back that he’s our Jesus Gil, and I was bang on right about that.

  31. [QUOTE=”Sy-, post: 7521544, member: 14028″]
    He’s just not a football person IMO… also isn’t this his first proper gig?

    I mean, I wouldn’t expect him to notice a manager beligerantly chosing players and formations that simply don’t work if we scrape the odd result. As such the “enough is enough” from the fans will keep coming out of the blue for him.
    [/QUOTE]

    Well, after 4 managers perhaps, like most reasonably intelligent human beings you might spot a pattern? “Ohhhhh, this is happening again”. What is being a football person? None of us are born with an innate understanding of football, we all learn. Perhaps the boss should too?

    Plus, what are the “football people” around him doing? “It’s all fine Farhad, expected loss. No worries”.

    Sorry Mate, dont agree at all.

  32. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521537, member: 1745″]
    In Europe multiple times under Kenwright on a budget of buttons. It makes perfect sense that we’d have continued that trend within four seasons.

    I in no way advocate Kenwright, btw. But that his tenure was way better than [B]Moshiri’s is the ultimate condemnation of his time here. It’s been appalling.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]
    Don’t agree Dave. My opinion is he came here and he was all excited; PL team, Koeman as manager, no DOF, thought we would win the league within two seasons. The next couple of years were sobering, him coming to the realisation that it was not as easy as he thought it would be.

    So he tears up his first blueprint, and decides to start over. Brings in Marcel, starts listening to him.

    Remember, it was a few of the posters on here (wrong forum maybe), and the Media saying Marcel wanted to keep Marco, and he wanted Moyes.

    The man worked with the best, he wants the best for this club. So Moshiri chats, Ancelotti becomes available, and this time he listens to his Director of Football, and not Bill.

    They make the offer, he accepts, they tell him he will have the money to spend.

    This is just an opinion, and I’m sure who will shoot most of this down, but be gentle please.:cool:

  33. [QUOTE=”little elfin, post: 7521520, member: 12461″]
    We will see the moment of truth after lost to Burnley 🙂
    [/QUOTE]
    It’s after two home losses we will disown him so he’ll be ok for a couple of weeks

  34. [QUOTE=”Nymzee, post: 7519263, member: 26361″]
    Has our owner just dug out our own fans????????
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    He’s got a point though I think

  35. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521537, member: 1745″]
    In Europe multiple times under Kenwright on a budget of buttons. It makes perfect sense that we’d have continued that trend within four seasons.

    I in no way advocate Kenwright, btw. But that his tenure was way better than Moshiri’s is the ultimate condemnation of his time here. It’s been appalling.
    [/QUOTE]

    He’s only been here 3 years mate, give it time. I’d be interested to compare BK first 3 years to FM.

    Cant say I agree with the trend continuing, look at the team we had duringMartinez reign. We had Howard, Distin, Alcaraz, Baines, Osman, Mirallas, Kone and in sure numerous other crabs that needed to be moved on. We just haven’t had (I think we both agree on this) a coherent recruitment strategy in the time since.

  36. [QUOTE=”Daveysgingerlovechild, post: 7521510, member: 23149″]
    Does that mean he wasnt unhappy with the performance of Koeman and Silva?

    “The fans are mutinous, best bin this one. Damn”.

    Which is also worrying.
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    He’s just not a football person IMO… also isn’t this his first proper gig?

    I mean, I wouldn’t expect him to notice a manager beligerantly chosing players and formations that simply don’t work if we scrape the odd result. As such the “enough is enough” from the fans will keep coming out of the blue for him.

  37. [QUOTE=”wainy, post: 7521522, member: 2710″]
    You’re quite right on that count.
    They both also had us at the wrong end of the table. See Moyes finishing 17th and the last two years of Martinez were Everton played some of the worst football I’ve ever seen as an Evertonian. Both flash in the pan seasons and, in my opinion, no grounds at all to suggest we’d be better off without Moshiri.
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    In Europe multiple times under Kenwright on a budget of buttons. It makes perfect sense that we’d have continued that trend within four seasons.

    I in no way advocate Kenwright, btw. But that his tenure was way better than Moshiri’s is the ultimate condemnation of his time here. It’s been appalling.

  38. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521515, member: 1745″]
    Both the managers he chose had us top 5. The evidence is overwhelming.
    [/QUOTE]

    You’re quite right on that count.
    They both also had us at the wrong end of the table. See Moyes finishing 17th and the last two years of Martinez were Everton played some of the worst football I’ve ever seen as an Evertonian. Both flash in the pan seasons and, in my opinion, no grounds at all to suggest we’d be better off without Moshiri.

  39. [QUOTE=”wainy, post: 7521509, member: 2710″]
    Can’t agree sorry, Dave. The reason being is the manager would most likely have been someone like Darren Moore, Eddie Howe or some other championship manager that we could just about afford. I don’t believe this squad is a lost cause, we have some decent players in there to build around and hopefully the new manager will do this. I don’t believe it’s all just TV cash, I mean I haven’t done the maths, but can’t recall many teams in Europe splashing the cash like we have over the last 3 years.
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    Both the managers he chose had us top 5. The evidence is overwhelming.

  40. Does that mean he wasnt unhappy with the performance of Koeman and Silva?

    “The fans are mutinous, best bin this one. Damn”.

    Which is also worrying.

  41. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521502, member: 1745″]
    But the fact that what you say about Kenwright is all true, and yet I’m also right that him remaining in control and handing over the extra tv cash to a manager he’d recruited would have given us a better base than the one we now stand on is uttlerly damning for Moshiri.
    [/QUOTE]

    Can’t agree sorry, Dave. The reason being is the manager would most likely have been someone like Darren Moore, Eddie Howe or some other championship manager that we could just about afford. I don’t believe this squad is a lost cause, we have some decent players in there to build around and hopefully the new manager will do this. I don’t believe it’s all just TV cash, I mean I haven’t done the maths, but can’t recall many teams in Europe splashing the cash like we have over the last 3 years.

    Edit: I’m not a moshiri fan boy either, just pointing out that blue bill is an absolute disgrace.

  42. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7521197, member: 10962″]
    The hope would be that Ancelloti uses his status to bring in known talent and Brands can do the job of looking for youth and trying to strengthen that link between the u23s and the first team.
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    An expensively paid job for such a narrow remit.

    He has to go. His model is dead and we now have a manager with no use for him.

  43. [QUOTE=”wainy, post: 7521110, member: 2710″]
    Absolute hyperbole. As if keeping kenwright in charge would have been better in any way, shape or form. Billy Liar for Christ sake, the man who is responsible for where we are today, make no mistake about that. His lies and determination to hold on to the train set have meant we have gone from one of the “big 5” to “plucky little everton” and we should never forget that.
    [/QUOTE]
    But the fact that what you say about Kenwright is all true, and yet I’m also right that him remaining in control and handing over the extra tv cash to a manager he’d recruited would have given us a better base than the one we now stand on is uttlerly damning for Moshiri.

  44. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520970, member: 3358″]
    Hes a British citizen mate.

    Can we leave the Racial slurs for the Kop please?
    [/QUOTE]
    I gave you a like in principle ,my problem is that being “called “an Iranian is actually far better than being called Radiostar ,I mean who would ?

  45. [QUOTE=”jinkyali, post: 7520499, member: 15827″]
    He’s spot on.
    Anyone offended by what he’s said is probably part of the aforementioned fans.

    Crybabies.
    Delusional.
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    I think he has a point. I also think the fans might have a point when pointing out that for the money spent since his arrival Everton have at best stagnated.

    We have recruited particularly badly in comparison to clubs we want to emulate and surpass.

  46. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521100, member: 1745″]
    I hope not. Ancelotti needs to sweep clean here or it’s all a bit pointless.
    [/QUOTE]
    The hope would be that Ancelloti uses his status to bring in known talent and Brands can do the job of looking for youth and trying to strengthen that link between the u23s and the first team.

  47. [QUOTE=”ProZ, post: 7521154, member: 14620″]
    Similar to a good army General or so the story goes.
    [/QUOTE]
    The better Army Generals that I know are seen and heard.

  48. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520515, member: 3358″]
    Does he now?

    Hes invested 250m into the footballing side and 150m in shares.

    Its all in our accounts,[B] feel free to prove me wrong, otherwise I suggest you shut up.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]
    oooower

  49. [QUOTE=”daza_1973, post: 7520097, member: 4270″]
    Good owners should be seen and not heard.
    [/QUOTE]
    Similar to a good army General or so the story goes.

  50. [QUOTE=”Berenger, post: 7521115, member: 11160″]
    The bit I think he’s not right on is that the expectations are mismatched. If anything, the mismatch is that our on-field performance has been below par for our financial resource; not that we expect too much from it. Everton fans are generally dreaming of the stars but aiming for the moon; challenging for Europe with the chance of something higher and some good cup runs — which is where our budget says we should be — is enough right now. Even if we talk ambitiously at times, in general I think we all recognise where our finance puts us on a European scale: outside the CL places but challenging. But the fact is that we’ve underperformed every single season, possibly apart from Koeman’s first, and have never really been in the hunt for anything.
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    Think you’re right about Expectations,he can’t have his cake and eat it on that one.

  51. Generally he is right. The bit I think he’s not right on is that the expectations are mismatched. If anything, the mismatch is that our on-field performance has been below par for our financial resource; not that we expect too much from it. Everton fans are generally dreaming of the stars but aiming for the moon; challenging for Europe with the chance of something higher and some good cup runs — which is where our budget says we should be — is enough right now. Even if we talk ambitiously at times, in general I think we all recognise where our finance puts us on a European scale: outside the CL places but challenging. But the fact is that we’ve underperformed every single season, possibly apart from Koeman’s first, and have never really been in the hunt for anything.

    The rest was quite revelatory. The club has this outsized obsession with PR and what the fans think. Nothing on football strategy and how he fits the vision or this specific group of players. Hopefully Brands has had that input. And the fact that he only wanted to put 5% of his time into a near billion pound investment must be garbage.

  52. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521050, member: 1745″]
    He’s a disaster. A catastrophe of club governance.

    We’d even have been better off if Kenwright had stayed on and handed the incoming massive hike in tv revenue to the manager and the cash from selling Lukaku.

    He’s been the ultimate meddler and it’s set us back a decade. But you know that, so you choose to throw his ‘massive investment’ into the fray in order to deflect from those facts.
    [/QUOTE]
    Absolute hyperbole. As if keeping kenwright in charge would have been better in any way, shape or form. Billy Liar for Christ sake, the man who is responsible for where we are today, make no mistake about that. His lies and determination to hold on to the train set have meant we have gone from one of the “big 5” to “plucky little everton” and we should never forget that.

  53. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521100, member: 1745″]
    I hope not. Ancelotti needs to sweep clean here or it’s all a bit pointless.
    [/QUOTE]
    They will still play the need to get wages out before signing players card.

    He needs to be backed but will be a half arsed attempt.

  54. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521097, member: 1745″]
    Selective choice of data.

    The average finishing position under Kewnright in the his last decade in charge was 7th. The 4 seasons under Moshiri is likely to be an average of 9th or 10th. Appalling given the difference in levels of spending.

    We achieve much less with much more spent under Moshiri. As said: a disaster.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yep, thats me actually done.

    You have just predicted 7 whole seasons in advance based on nothing whatsoever.

    Im done, good night.

  55. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521084, member: 1745″]
    It wouldn’t be ideal, to say the least. However, I think we’d have been better governed than we are now….and that’s not a case I need to argue too forcefully given our finishing positions under Kenwright and those under the carpetbagger.
    [/QUOTE]
    Better governed? They nearly took us to a cow shed in Kirkby. The way we’ve have been governed the last 20 years is the reason we’ve lost our seat at the top table. Dave am not quite sure if you mean this or are playing devils advocate,but even you can’t believe what you are saying?

  56. [QUOTE=”john jako, post: 7521096, member: 32818″]
    Listening to today’s ancelotti press conference I doubt it. Seems like brands has conned him into finding ‘obscure talent’ from across the globe.
    [/QUOTE]
    I hope not. Ancelotti needs to sweep clean here or it’s all a bit pointless.

  57. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7521087, member: 3358″]
    The last 2 seasons under Kenwright we finished 11th.
    The last 2 seasons under Moshiri we have finished 8th

    Stop making this so easy.
    [/QUOTE]
    Selective choice of data.

    The average finishing position under Kewnright in the his last decade in charge was 7th. The 4 seasons under Moshiri is likely to be an average of 9th or 10th. Appalling given the difference in levels of spending.

    We achieve much less with much more spent under Moshiri. As said: a disaster.

  58. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521089, member: 1745″]
    A cartoon isn’t a new stadium. The world class manager…yes, at the 4th time of asking. [B]Let’s hope the divvy backs him with cash[/B].
    [/QUOTE]
    Listening to today’s ancelotti press conference I doubt it. Seems like brands has conned him into finding ‘obscure talent’ from across the globe.

  59. [QUOTE=”Thomasc, post: 7521065, member: 38546″]
    been here 4 years.

    new stadium on the way and a world class manager finally.

    “set us back a decade”

    lollol
    [/QUOTE]
    A cartoon isn’t a new stadium. The world class manager…yes, at the 4th time of asking. Let’s hope the divvy backs him with cash.

  60. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521084, member: 1745″]
    It wouldn’t be ideal, to say the least. However, I think we’d have been better governed than we are now….and that’s not a case I need to argue too forcefully given our finishing positions under Kenwright and those under the carpetbagger.
    [/QUOTE]

    The last 2 seasons under Kenwright we finished 11th.
    The last 2 seasons under Moshiri we have finished 8th

    Stop making this so easy.

  61. I think it would have been much better if Brands had done the interview, but with sky , in a proper fashion. he could easily have met with Moshiri and got his points across for him.

  62. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7521068, member: 3358″]
    Ive admitted many times that mistake have indeed been made.

    I wont defend his choice of managers, I can see why they were appointed, but I was very vocal prior to them being appointed that they were utter failures.

    What I will defend is the downright lies that he hasnt backed each and every mistake hes made with cold hard cash.
    [/QUOTE]
    I accept your defeat.

  63. [QUOTE=”Exeter_Gently, post: 7521072, member: 49669″]
    Elstone would still be running the show if Kenwright was in charge…. imagine that?
    [/QUOTE]

    It wouldn’t be ideal, to say the least. However, I think we’d have been better governed than we are now….and that’s not a case I need to argue too forcefully given our finishing positions under Kenwright and those under the carpetbagger.

  64. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521050, member: 1745″]
    He’s a disaster. A catastrophe of club governance.

    We’d even have been better off if Kenwright had stayed on and handed the incoming massive hike in tv revenue to the manager and the cash from selling Lukaku.

    He’s been the ultimate meddler and it’s set us back a decade. But you know that, so you choose to throw his ‘massive investment’ into the fray in order to deflect from those facts.
    [/QUOTE]
    Elstone would still be running the show if Kenwright was in charge…. imagine that?

  65. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521063, member: 1745″]
    You cant tackle the majot point here: 4 years of terrible governance that have put us back a decade.

    An inconvenient truth.
    [/QUOTE]

    Ive admitted many times that mistake have indeed been made.

    I wont defend his choice of managers, I can see why they were appointed, but I was very vocal prior to them being appointed that they were utter failures.

    What I will defend is the downright lies that he hasnt backed each and every mistake hes made with cold hard cash.

  66. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521050, member: 1745″]
    He’s a disaster. A catastrophe of club governance.

    We’d even have been better off if Kenwright had stayed on and handed the incoming massive hike in tv revenue to the manager and the cash from selling Lukaku.

    He’s been the ultimate meddler and it’s set us back a decade. But you know that, so you choose to throw his ‘massive investment’ into the fray in order to deflect from those facts.
    [/QUOTE]

    been here 4 years.

    new stadium on the way and a world class manager finally.

    “set us back a decade”

    lollol

  67. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7521061, member: 3358″]
    All you had to type was :

    “I was wrong, again, you were yet again 100% correct Mr Goat Sir, I shall now bend the knee” and I might have actually read what you wrote.
    [/QUOTE]
    You cant tackle the major point here: 4 years of terrible governance that have put us back a decade.

    An inconvenient truth.

  68. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7521050, member: 1745″]
    He’s a disaster. A catastrophe of club governance.

    We’d even have been better off if Kenwright had stayed on and handed the incoming massive hike in tv revenue to the manager and the cash from selling Lukaku.

    He’s been the ultimate meddler and it’s set us back a decade. But you know that, so you choose to throw his ‘massive investment’ into the fray in order to deflect from those facts.
    [/QUOTE]

    All you had to type was :

    “I was wrong, again, you were yet again 100% correct Mr Goat Sir, I shall now bend the knee” and I might have actually read what you wrote.

  69. [QUOTE=”radiostar, post: 7520957, member: 12065″]
    Just got in a great manager and manages to sour the goodwill instantly by opening that stupid Iranian mouth of his.
    [/QUOTE]

    Does it being “Iranian” make it worse for you?

  70. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520955, member: 3358″]
    You asked for proof, I gave you it.

    What do you mean “out of pocket”?

    So far hes down by 400m, as I keep saying, hes invested money into us, the same way the fellas at City and the Russian fella at Chelsea, as far as I know they are the only 3 current Premier League owners who have invested THEIR OWN money into the football clubs they own.

    Everybody else, like the Yanks at United, Arsenal and Liverpool have used loans to buy their shares and also for any investment, of which they have made none, into the football clubs they own.

    You Anti-Mosh fellas have so much ammo and yet you always attack him for the 1 thing that he cant be faulted for, no owner in the entire footballing world has invested more money into their clubs in the 4 years Moshiri has been at Everton, not a single owner.
    [/QUOTE]
    He’s a disaster. A catastrophe of club governance.

    We’d even have been better off if Kenwright had stayed on and handed the incoming massive hike in tv revenue to the manager and the cash from selling Lukaku.

    He’s been the ultimate meddler and it’s set us back a decade. But you know that, so you choose to throw his ‘massive investment’ into the fray in order to deflect from those facts.

  71. [QUOTE=”irishtony1878, post: 7519942, member: 15103″]

    I am going to try and throw a positive spin on this, what do you think he was getting at when he said this?
    “We dont have the financial base but the fans expectation is huge. I think this miss-match somehow needs to be resolved.”

    [/QUOTE]

    I translated that as I’m going to put up ticket prices and it’s the fault of your lofty expectations.

  72. [QUOTE=”radiostar, post: 7520957, member: 12065″]
    Just got in a great manager and manages to sour the goodwill instantly by opening that stupid [B]Iranian[/B] mouth of his.
    [/QUOTE]

    Relevance? Or do you mention the nationality of everyone involved with Everton when posting about them? Keane not being aggressive enough with those stupid English legs of his or Tom Davies misplacing a pass with those stupid English feet of his?

  73. [QUOTE=”radiostar, post: 7520957, member: 12065″]
    Just got in a great manager and manages to sour the goodwill instantly by opening that stupid Iranian mouth of his.
    [/QUOTE]

    Hes a British citizen mate.

    Can we leave the Racial slurs for the Kop please?

  74. [QUOTE=”neil999, post: 7519269, member: 8976″]
    how did this chap become a billionaire?:oops:
    [/QUOTE]

    By not sugar coating the truth and seeing things for what they are?

  75. Just got in a great manager and manages to sour the goodwill instantly by opening that stupid Iranian mouth of his.

  76. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520907, member: 1745″]
    …and debt? He’s loaned to the club and that is a different proposition. The club also have a £60M credit facility they use.

    It’s for the birds that this feller is out of pocket. Unreal that you’d think so.
    [/QUOTE]

    You asked for proof, I gave you it.

    What do you mean “out of pocket”?

    So far hes down by 400m, as I keep saying, hes invested money into us, the same way the fellas at City and the Russian fella at Chelsea, as far as I know they are the only 3 current Premier League owners who have invested THEIR OWN money into the football clubs they own.

    Everybody else, like the Yanks at United, Arsenal and Liverpool have used loans to buy their shares and also for any investment, of which they have made none, into the football clubs they own.

    You Anti-Mosh fellas have so much ammo and yet you always attack him for the 1 thing that he cant be faulted for, no owner in the entire footballing world has invested more money into their clubs in the 4 years Moshiri has been at Everton, not a single owner.

  77. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520827, member: 3358″]
    Heres your proof.

    This investment, as well as the operating performance described above, was funded by a combination of shareholder injections via an interest-free loan, which reached £150m in 2018, and new borrowings. In accordance with FRS 102, the shareholder loan from Bluesky Capital Limited has been accounted for as equity. Bluesky Limited continued to support the Club post-year end with an additional shareholder loan of £100m received post year end.

    [URL unfurl=”true”]https://www.evertonfc.com/club/shareholders/statement-of-accounts[/URL]
    Page 45, 2018 accounts.

    Over to you dave.

    :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
    [/QUOTE]
    So The Esk has more than one account on here.

  78. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520801, member: 3358″]
    Very easy, but what would be the point, I could spend the next 10 minutes getting all the figures for you in a nice little bundle and you would still dismiss them.

    Its not even a matter of debate that has he has invested 250m into the club, outside of the 150m he spent on Shares.

    If you want proof, its all here.

    [URL unfurl=”true”]https://www.evertonfc.com/club/shareholders/statement-of-accounts[/URL]
    [/QUOTE]
    …and debt? He’s loaned to the club and that is a different proposition. The club also have a £60M credit facility they use.

    It’s for the birds that this feller is out of pocket. Unreal that you’d think so.

  79. [QUOTE=”Kev The Rat, post: 7520849, member: 23770″]
    99.99% of fans are behind Ancelotti and we will stick with him. He gains immediate respect for who he is and what’s he’s done. Compare his accomplishments to anyone in the kenwright/moshiri era. Let’s hope he gets backed appropriately and the players play for him

    What we will not have is the owner saying we are ungrateful – as far as I am concerned he is a temporary custodian of the club and we are it’s lifeblood.
    [/QUOTE]
    While he gets us Mr Ancelotti as manager he can say what he likes. If he gets us a new stadium he can go around dishing left hooks out.

  80. [QUOTE=”Kev The Rat, post: 7520849, member: 23770″]
    99.99% of fans are behind Ancelotti and we will stick with him. He gains immediate respect for who he is and what’s he’s done. Compare his accomplishments to anyone in the kenwright/moshiri era. Let’s hope he gets backed appropriately and the players play for him

    What we will not have is the owner saying we are ungrateful – as far as I am concerned he is a temporary custodian of the club and we are it’s lifeblood.
    [/QUOTE]

    Everyone has a clean slate from now through to the Cup Derby, they need to show Mr Ancelotti that they still have futures at this club, those that show the fight stay, those that don’t can find themselves another club. The manager will be moderately back for now in January with a significantly increased budget for the summer, hence the links to the Napoli players

  81. [QUOTE=”Kev The Rat, post: 7520849, member: 23770″]
    99.99% of fans are behind Ancelotti and we will stick with him. He gains immediate respect for who he is and what’s he’s done. Compare his accomplishments to anyone in the kenwright/moshiri era. Let’s hope he gets backed appropriately and the players play for him

    What we will not have is the owner saying we are ungrateful – [B]as far as I am concerned he is a temporary custodian of the club and we are it’s lifeblood.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]

    you are it’s past.

    I hope your turkey is as dried up and dreary as you are.

    You should be bowing at the feet of Mosh, how dare you insult the man who has brought us Ancelotti and will bring us BMD.

  82. [QUOTE=”Megatron, post: 7520829, member: 36754″]
    Because the fans got behind both the team and manager in a united front, we saw in Koeman’s first season what happened, we had a dip, pulled together and the team finished 7th and got back into Europe, when it happened again the following season there was a great divide that Koeman couldn’t overcome and he was booted. Last season we had a horrific dip and people were knifing Silva in the back, we then showed what we could do to dangerous effect in that run against United, Chelsea, Arsenal and West Ham and everyone was in great spirits again but again the dip happened and the knives came out and it was too much to overcome

    What I’m saying is, we are probably going to have that dip again, either later in the season or at some point next, the knives will get sharpened yet again and there’ll be calls for the Don to be ousted but we need to stick together if that ends up being the case
    [/QUOTE]
    99.99% of fans are behind Ancelotti and we will stick with him. He gains immediate respect for who he is and what’s he’s done. Compare his accomplishments to anyone in the kenwright/moshiri era. Let’s hope he gets backed appropriately and the players play for him

    What we will not have is the owner saying we are ungrateful – as far as I am concerned he is a temporary custodian of the club and we are it’s lifeblood.

  83. [QUOTE=”Megatron, post: 7520759, member: 36754″]
    Brilliant this, if he hadn’t had done an interview he’d be called out for not explaining his decision by the anti Moshiri fan base, yet he has, in great detail and said fan base is crying about it because they don’t like what he’s said

    Fact is, the atmosphere, save for Martinez year 1, Koeman year one, the last few weeks of last season and the past 3 weeks, has been steadily toxic for 5 years now and can be quite off putting for people who just want a 2-3 hour break from the world and watch a game of football, because that’s all it is at the end of the day, a game
    [/QUOTE]

    Most sense I’ve read on here in weeks. Well said and here here!

  84. [QUOTE=”Kev The Rat, post: 7520800, member: 23770″]
    Yes but under Moyes the key point was we pulled it back. That hasn’t happened under the present regime. Just a constant revolving door of players, managers and dreadful league form
    [/QUOTE]

    Because the fans got behind both the team and manager in a united front, we saw in Koeman’s first season what happened, we had a dip, pulled together and the team finished 7th and got back into Europe, when it happened again the following season there was a great divide that Koeman couldn’t overcome and he was booted. Last season we had a horrific dip and people were knifing Silva in the back, we then showed what we could do to dangerous effect in that run against United, Chelsea, Arsenal and West Ham and everyone was in great spirits again but again the dip happened and the knives came out and it was too much to overcome

    What I’m saying is, we are probably going to have that dip again, either later in the season or at some point next, the knives will get sharpened yet again and there’ll be calls for the Don to be ousted but we need to stick together if that ends up being the case

  85. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520792, member: 1745″]
    I wasn’t making the claim, [USER=3358]@MarcelsGoat[/USER] was stating the carpetbagger had ploughed £250M into the squad. Proof would be most welcome….

    :coffee:
    [/QUOTE]

    Heres your proof.

    This investment, as well as the operating performance described above, was funded by a combination of shareholder injections via an interest-free loan, which reached £150m in 2018, and new borrowings. In accordance with FRS 102, the shareholder loan from Bluesky Capital Limited has been accounted for as equity. Bluesky Limited continued to support the Club post-year end with an additional shareholder loan of £100m received post year end.

    [URL unfurl=”true”]https://www.evertonfc.com/club/shareholders/statement-of-accounts[/URL]
    Page 45, 2018 accounts.

    Over to you dave.

    :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

  86. [QUOTE=”ForeverBlue92, post: 7520111, member: 51774″]
    Just wish Usmanov would come on board officially, snatch the phone out of Moshiri’s hand and stamp on it.
    [/QUOTE]
    Yes and delete that idiot Jim whites number

  87. [QUOTE=”Zeitgeist, post: 7520798, member: 46156″]
    The man has brought us so much attention, new stadium plans, broke transfer records, extra revenue incomes even just being connected to Usmanov has gained us some recognition, can’t believe people are calling him a snake HAHA he’s spent 100s of millions

    Should be bowing to him
    [/QUOTE]
    Bowing to him ha ha ha

  88. [QUOTE=”Megatron, post: 7520772, member: 36754″]
    It’s been toxic because sections can’t handle the fact that by god we have dips in form, this isn’t even a recent thing either, Moyes used to get it when we’d have a poor start and be at the wrong end of the table yet we pulled it back every time
    [/QUOTE]

    Its because we’ve not won anything in 25 years. Moyes started badly most seasons. He deserved criticism. By pulling it back you mean getting us to mid table mostly. That’s nothing to shout about.

    The fans are ridiculously loyal given how rubbish we’ve been. It’s the time for patience right now but we still want to see progress over the next 18 months.

  89. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520774, member: 1745″]
    Can you do the reverse? Bring the figures over and above the sum he spent on debt and shares to prove he paid for players and wages
    [/QUOTE]

    Very easy, but what would be the point, I could spend the next 10 minutes getting all the figures for you in a nice little bundle and you would still dismiss them.

    Its not even a matter of debate that has he has invested 250m into the club, outside of the 150m he spent on Shares.

    If you want proof, its all here.

    [URL unfurl=”true”]https://www.evertonfc.com/club/shareholders/statement-of-accounts[/URL]

  90. [QUOTE=”Megatron, post: 7520772, member: 36754″]
    It’s been toxic because sections can’t handle the fact that by god we have dips in form, this isn’t even a recent thing either, Moyes used to get it when we’d have a poor start and be at the wrong end of the table yet we pulled it back every time
    [/QUOTE]

    Yes but under Moyes the key point was we pulled it back. That hasn’t happened under the present regime. Just a constant revolving door of players, managers and dreadful league form

  91. The man has brought us so much attention, new stadium plans, broke transfer records, extra revenue incomes even just being connected to Usmanov has gained us some recognition, can’t believe people are calling him a snake HAHA he’s spent 100s of millions

    Should be bowing to him

  92. [QUOTE=”Megatron, post: 7520772, member: 36754″]
    It’s been toxic because sections can’t handle the fact that by god we have dips in form, this isn’t even a recent thing either, Moyes used to get it when we’d have a poor start and be at the wrong end of the table yet we pulled it back every time
    [/QUOTE]

    We haven’t won a trophy since 1995 and we sell out home and away each week. The fans are more than entitled to do whatever we see fit.

  93. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520774, member: 1745″]
    Can you do the reverse? Bring the figures over and above the sum he spent on debt and shares to prove he paid for players and wages
    [/QUOTE]
    Err no mate…the accusations come from you,am merely asking you to back them up.

  94. [QUOTE=”longers, post: 7520779, member: 29646″]
    He doesn’t have to, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
    [/QUOTE]
    I wasn’t making the claim, [USER=3358]@MarcelsGoat[/USER] was stating the carpetbagger had ploughed £250M into the squad. Proof would be most welcome….

    :coffee:

  95. [QUOTE=”longers, post: 7520770, member: 29646″]
    Im fairly sure it’s a bit more nuanced than that mate…

    no figures, no proof
    [/QUOTE]
    I agree. You should get those figures before claiming he’s spent his own cash on players.

  96. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520774, member: 1745″]
    Can you do the reverse? Bring the figures over and above the sum he spent on debt and shares to prove he paid for players and wages
    [/QUOTE]

    He doesn’t have to, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

  97. [QUOTE=”Exeter_Gently, post: 7520768, member: 49669″]
    Dave until you can pull the figures up suggesting he’s only spent money the T.V money and player sales your argument holds no water.
    [/QUOTE]
    Can you do the reverse? Bring the figures over and above the sum he spent on debt and shares to prove he paid for players and wages

  98. [QUOTE=”Kev The Rat, post: 7520766, member: 23770″]
    It’s been toxic because we’ve been so successful and entertaining to watch
    [/QUOTE]

    It’s been toxic because sections can’t handle the fact that by god we have dips in form, this isn’t even a recent thing either, Moyes used to get it when we’d have a poor start and be at the wrong end of the table yet we pulled it back every time

  99. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520748, member: 1745″]
    It’s simple addition and subtracrtion of player sales + tv revenue since he took over.
    [/QUOTE]

    Im fairly sure it’s a bit more nuanced than that mate…

    no figures, no proof

  100. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520748, member: 1745″]
    It’s simple addition and subratcrtion of player dsales + tv revenue since he took over.

    As Ilve had shoved down my throat over the years on here:[I] ‘you dont think owners ACTUALLY spend their own money, do you?”[/I]
    [/QUOTES
    Dave until you can pull the figures up suggesting he’s only spent money the T.V money and player sales your argument holds no water.[/QUOTE]

  101. [QUOTE=”Megatron, post: 7520759, member: 36754″]
    Brilliant this, if he hadn’t had done an interview he’d be called out for not explaining his decision by the anti Moshiri fan base, yet he has, in great detail and said fan base is crying about it because they don’t like what he’s said

    Fact is, the atmosphere, save for Martinez year 1, Koeman year one, the last few weeks of last season and the past 3 weeks, has been steadily toxic for 5 years now and can be quite off putting for people who just want a 2-3 hour break from the world and watch a game of football, because that’s all it is at the end of the day, a game
    [/QUOTE]
    It’s been toxic because we’ve been so successful and entertaining to watch. Logical isn’t it?

  102. Brilliant this, if he hadn’t had done an interview he’d be called out for not explaining his decision by the anti Moshiri fan base, yet he has, in great detail and said fan base is crying about it because they don’t like what he’s said

    Fact is, the atmosphere, save for Martinez year 1, Koeman year one, the last few weeks of last season and the past 3 weeks, has been steadily toxic for 5 years now and can be quite off putting for people who just want a 2-3 hour break from the world and watch a game of football, because that’s all it is at the end of the day, a game

  103. [QUOTE=”longers, post: 7520659, member: 29646″]
    Are there actually documents/quotes that confirm/prove this ? genuine question.
    [/QUOTE]
    It’s simple addition and subtracrtion of player sales + tv revenue since he took over.

    As I’ve had shoved down my throat over the years on here:[I] ‘you dont think owners ACTUALLY spend their own money, do you?”[/I]

  104. [QUOTE=”Benedict, post: 7520513, member: 51225″]
    It was 400mil the other week then it was 350mil the week before, that fella just pulls all kinds of figures out of nowhere.
    [/QUOTE]
    He cant help it mate. I’ve tried to educate him over the years. It just doesn’t stick.

  105. Don’t see a problem with what he has said, We’re a hard fan base to please and very reactionary from match to match (including myself.) The club has been so disjointed this past couple of years but I think we have found a manager we can all agree and settle on and if he goes on a poor run we still have faith in him because he’s Ancelotti, He automatically gets the respect of the players/fans/board unlike Silva because he had to prove himself. It hopefully should be good times ahead and I’m not surprised Farhad is a bit salty he’s put a bit of £ in and got f all because he trusted absolute idiots like Koeman/Walsh and partially himself (i.e Tosun) on absolute garbage.

  106. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520510, member: 1745″]
    But you have no basis for that assertion while, on the other hand, we KNOW that [B]Moshiri talks BS off the cuff.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]

    Hello pot, kettle calling :bye:

    only difference is that one is a very rich businessman, the other hangs around a forum all his adult life complaining about him.

  107. Genuinely can’t see what the problem was with his interview? It’s was basically an admission for him that the fans won’t except second best…that the fans don’t think 2 defeats at home is acceptable…that the fans expect us to live by our motto…he said himself over past 2 weeks he realises what this club is all about! He also probably realised he’s been been going through the motions as far as the club was concerned. I actually felt the majority of the interview was him admitting that when the whole of the Fanbase,Team, management is United that no one can touch us,and I genuinely felt that when Baines scored the other night. Maybe the past few weeks have been a water shed moment for him.

    But to take it back to the unwarranted stick he’s got today,on a day of only positives,says to me that’s some Blues almost don’t want to look at a positive,or won’t allow themselves to think,by hook or crook, we have a bright future on the horizon.

    Like him,loathe him,be indifferent towards him but make no mistake we ARE making waves and moving forward and it’s down to him! And when we’re all reading off the same page there’s no club like it.

  108. [QUOTE=”Kev The Rat, post: 7520314, member: 23770″]
    Our financial base isn’t big enough ? How many hundreds of millions have been spent on players? How much on managers? And for what? Not for the managers to be fired because they dared to lose 2 home games on the bounce as he is falsely attempting to claim. No, it’s because his poor choices of manager and players have left us directly in and around the relegation zone and being thrashed by teams. If these managers were getting us even top 7/8 I don’t think there would be calls for anyone’s head.

    An absolutely disgraceful interview from a bitter man. I’d rather he went back to his yacht and stayed there instead of spending 95% of his time haemorrhaging the club with his destructive meddling.
    [/QUOTE]

    you are one angry, bitter old turd you lad.

    calling someone else “bitter” also shows a complete lack of self awareness.

    congratulations, you are a real life winner.

  109. I think people are being a bit too critical here. I read the interview and it doesn’t seem bad to me.

  110. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520383, member: 1745″]
    He’s spent the club’s money on the squad and their management; the cash the carpetbagger laid down was for shares and to own debt.
    [/QUOTE]

    Are there actually documents/quotes that confirm/prove this ? genuine question.

  111. [QUOTE=”Benedict, post: 7520523, member: 51225″]
    Moshiri was calling you that and every other fan who has constantly stood by him, he’s a snake.
    [/QUOTE]

    Haha, he’s a snake?!!

    Well if you want to call an owner who has made the dream of BMD possible AND brought in one of the best managers in the world a snake then you are a fool.

    This place cracks me up. A snake. Dear god.

  112. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520439, member: 3358″]
    Far too many of our fans are stuck in the past, they are forever looking backwards.

    Thats the problem for me.

    We have just appointed 1 of the best managers in world football of the last 20 years and there is still people picking fault, still people chatting wham about Marco Silva.

    Stop looking backwards, look to the future for Gods sake.

    Embrace what is happening now, not what happened before.
    [/QUOTE]
    But lad we used to win trowfeeeez!!!

  113. [QUOTE=”Zeitgeist, post: 7520606, member: 46156″]
    Tbh I think that’s an admirable honest interview

    Our fans are hard to please and get on the teams back too hard when there’s a bit of a rough patch

    [B]Regarding previous managers he’s clearly saying Silva wasn’t good enough and out of his depth without saying it, which was also true[/B]
    [/QUOTE]
    Makes you wonder why he fought tooth and nail to get him here.

  114. Yes well in Farhad lad, i can just see all the kopites now texting each other, hahaha have you heard their owner ripping their fans hahaha, yes well in Farhad lad.

  115. Tbh I think that’s an admirable honest interview

    Our fans are hard to please and get on the teams back too hard when there’s a bit of a rough patch

    Regarding previous managers he’s clearly saying Silva wasn’t good enough and out of his depth without saying it, which was also true

  116. [QUOTE=”Benedict, post: 7520513, member: 51225″]
    It was 400mil the other week then it was 350mil the week before, that fella just pulls all kinds of figures out of nowhere.
    [/QUOTE]
    400m or 350m either way it’s a lot of cash

  117. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7520512, member: 8777″]
    He’s absolutely spot on.

    The fans’ negativity is one of the biggest things holding the club back.
    [/QUOTE]
    Agree on this, as much as we dont like the idea of blaming the fans we really dont help.
    We think we have great support because we sell tickets, but so what, that’s just numbers but means nothing when it comes to actual support for the team.
    Most of the tickets go to lids who want a day out on the beer.

    The negativity does get picked up on, for example why did Lukaku cup his ears after scoring? It’s as if he was saying where are you, were here….the players but were on our own.

    As for the shouting abuse and booing, we really are at times the exponents 12th man.

  118. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520537, member: 3358″]
    I do, but im allowed to click show ignored and I do like taking the chance to laugh at people like you.
    [/QUOTE]
    Bolloni.

  119. He has called out every fan there except for me.

    you guys better up your game and stop booing after a couple of defeats

  120. [QUOTE=”Benedict, post: 7520533, member: 51225″]
    Thought you had me on ignore, just more Bolloni hey.
    [/QUOTE]

    I do, but im allowed to click show ignored and I do like taking the chance to laugh at people like you.

  121. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520515, member: 3358″]
    Does he now?

    Hes invested 250m into the footballing side and 150m in shares.

    Its all in our accounts, feel free to prove me wrong, otherwise I suggest you shut up.
    [/QUOTE]
    Thought you had me on ignore, just more Bolloni hey.

  122. [QUOTE=”roydo, post: 7520506, member: 6929″]
    I would not trust Jim White an inch. It was recorded after the match, then broadcast today. If you think White/TS/Sky didnt touch the recording to make headlines by altering context, then you are not the bloke I think you are.
    [/QUOTE]
    Total conjecture.

  123. [QUOTE=”blue1948, post: 7520451, member: 25770″]
    I picked you out of the posters as your posts wind me up the most ,that is something I want to sort out in my mind so ,what do you think he should do now ?
    I know you are entitled to post as much as I am but just clear it up for my sake ,tell me what you think should happen and not what has happened as we cannot change that .
    [/QUOTE]
    It took me a long time mate and it’s not easy at times .But the best advice I got off another good poster on here was to just ignore him mate he just moans for the sake of moaning .Happy Christmas 😉 😉

  124. [QUOTE=”jinkyali, post: 7520499, member: 15827″]
    He’s spot on.
    Anyone offended by what he’s said is probably part of the aforementioned fans.

    Crybabies.
    Delusional.
    [/QUOTE]
    Moshiri was calling you that and every other fan who has constantly stood by him, he’s a snake.

  125. [QUOTE=”Benedict, post: 7520513, member: 51225″]
    It was 400mil the other week then it was 350mil the week before, that fella just pulls all kinds of figures out of nowhere.
    [/QUOTE]

    Does he now?

    Hes invested 250m into the footballing side and 150m in shares.

    Its all in our accounts, feel free to prove me wrong, otherwise I suggest you shut up.

  126. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520488, member: 1745″]
    Ha Ha Ha.
    [/QUOTE]
    It was 400mil the other week then it was 350mil the week before, that fella just pulls all kinds of figures out of nowhere.

  127. [QUOTE=”gav1985, post: 7519266, member: 1503″]
    Think he was better keeping some of that to himself but all you have to do is come on here after a defeat and he isn’t that far from being right.
    [/QUOTE]
    He’s absolutely spot on.

    The fans’ negativity is one of the biggest things holding the club back.

  128. [QUOTE=”roydo, post: 7520506, member: 6929″]
    I would not trust Jim White an inch. It was recorded after the match, then broadcast today. If you think White/TS/Sky didnt touch the recording to make headlines by altering context, then you are not the bloke I think you are.
    [/QUOTE]
    But you have no basis for that assertion while, on the other hand, we KNOW that Moshiri talks BS off the cuff.

  129. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520485, member: 1745″]
    The words were his presumably. What makes you think that feller needs to be edited in order to sound like a buffoon?
    [/QUOTE]

    I would not trust Jim White an inch. It was recorded after the match, then broadcast today. If you think White/TS/Sky didnt touch the recording to make headlines by altering context, then you are not the bloke I think you are.

  130. [QUOTE=”blue1948, post: 7520451, member: 25770″]
    I picked you out of the posters as your posts wind me up the most ,that is something I want to sort out in my mind so ,what do you think he should do now ?
    I know you are entitled to post as much as I am but just clear it up for my sake ,tell me what you think should happen and not what has happened as we cannot change that .
    [/QUOTE]
    If he’s staying he should keep out of the football side of matters and leave Ancelotti alone to get on with this. Back him with cash and stay out of team affairs.

  131. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520488, member: 1745″]
    Ha Ha Ha.
    [/QUOTE]

    The TV money from Sky doesnt even cover our wage bill.

  132. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520421, member: 3358″]
    Stop lying.

    [B]Hes invested 250m into the football club.[/B]

    Any shares he owns are nothing to do with this amount.

    No other owner in world football has invested more into their club in his time here.
    [/QUOTE]
    Ha Ha Ha.

  133. [QUOTE=”roydo, post: 7520417, member: 6929″]
    Based on a Jim White controlled “interview” Come on mate.
    [/QUOTE]
    The words were his presumably. What makes you think that feller needs to be edited in order to sound like a buffoon?

  134. [QUOTE=”chopper6, post: 7520295, member: 1949″]
    And we’ve probably only heard Moshiri in a public interview 3 or 4 times in as many years!
    [/QUOTE]
    Best be thankful for small mercies then

  135. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520383, member: 1745″]
    He’s spent the club’s money on the squad and their management; the cash the carpetbagger laid down was for shares and to own debt.

    I cant believe you’d support a man like this attacking the fans.
    [/QUOTE]

    this is what it looks like when a troll runs out of targets.

  136. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520098, member: 1745″]
    He has no football sensibility. A rich crank completely out of touch with reality.
    [/QUOTE]
    I picked you out of the posters as your posts wind me up the most ,that is something I want to sort out in my mind so ,what do you think he should do now ?
    I know you are entitled to post as much as I am but just clear it up for my sake ,tell me what you think should happen and not what has happened as we cannot change that .

  137. You just can’t compare Koeman, Allardyce and Silva to Ancelotti. He’s a proven top class manager with a CV of management that only the likes of Mourinho and Guardiola can match. Yet some still aren’t satisfied.

  138. Having a go at him because he signed 2 dud managers is a bit silly imo, it’s pretty much the standard nowadays that it takes a few goes to get it right… hopefully he’s got it right this time.

  139. [QUOTE=”MarcelsGoat, post: 7520431, member: 3358″]
    Koeman was the Biggest pedigree of manager we had ever appointed before Carlo.

    People can dismiss the trophies he won as meaningless but no other manager, bar Walter Smith had won more trophies.
    [/QUOTE]
    agreed. I think most people thought Koeman was a decent appointment at the time.

  140. Far too many of our fans are stuck in the past, they are forever looking backwards.

    Thats the problem for me.

    We have just appointed 1 of the best managers in world football of the last 20 years and there is still people picking fault, still people chatting wham about Marco Silva.

    Stop looking backwards, look to the future for Gods sake.

    Embrace what is happening now, not what happened before.

  141. He’s appointed two risk managers that might’ve worked out but didn’t and one horrible mistake to ‘keep us up’. These managers all made terrible mistakes in the market and bought a load of crap players who are difficult to move on because they’re on big wages. I’m sure deep down he’s as angry as we are, especially when it’s his hard earned cash that’s being wasted.

    However, we can all agree, Carlo Ancelotti is an incredible appointment and the fact it sounds like he’s on board with the long term project and wants to be the man to get us challenging at the top and see us into our glorious new stadium (also funded my Moshiri) HAS to be applauded.

    I reckon he’s worried we get on Ancelotti’s back the same way we did the other no marks because he knows he couldn’t have possibly delivered any better than this and if it goes tits up he’s out of ideas.

    I still can’t believe we got Carlo and for that the whole club has my full support and good will even if it take a while to get the squad up to scratch.

  142. [QUOTE=”Cool_Blue, post: 7520386, member: 51692″]
    he’s not a football man. He’s taken advice and tried to hire who he thought was the best man at the time. Koeman was a top player. If you knew nothing about footie and someone in the boardroom said ‘let’s hire a guy who’s won the European cup with Barcelona and has got 5 zillion caps for Holland’, I’d wager you’d be impressed and take their advice.
    [/QUOTE]

    Koeman was the Biggest pedigree of manager we had ever appointed before Carlo.

    People can dismiss the trophies he won as meaningless but no other manager, bar Walter Smith had won more trophies.

  143. [QUOTE=”havrey0123, post: 7520422, member: 7442″]
    Not really, what koeman did as a player has nothing do what he can do as a manager, look at roy keane
    [/QUOTE]
    You’re completely missing(or ignoring) my point. Moshiri wouldn’t know those things, and he’s probably never heard of Roy Keane lol

  144. [QUOTE=”Cool_Blue, post: 7520386, member: 51692″]
    he’s not a football man. He’s taken advice and tried to hire who he thought was the best man at the time. Koeman was a top player. If you knew nothing about footie and someone in the boardroom said ‘let’s hire a guy who’s won the European cup with Barcelona and has got 5 zillion caps for Holland’, I’d wager you’d be impressed and take their advice.
    [/QUOTE]

    Not really, what koeman did as a player has nothing do what he can do as a manager, look at roy keane

  145. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520383, member: 1745″]
    He’s spent the club’s money on the squad and their management; the cash the carpetbagger laid down was for shares and to own debt.

    I cant believe you’d support a man like this attacking the fans.
    [/QUOTE]

    Stop lying.

    Hes invested 250m into the football club.

    Any shares he owns are nothing to do with this amount.

    No other owner in world football has invested more into their club in his time here.

  146. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520413, member: 1745″]
    …but he’s stated that supporters are making him make all the wrong moves. That’s about the sum of it.

    That’s not right, is it?
    [/QUOTE]

    Based on a Jim White controlled “interview” Come on mate.

  147. [QUOTE=”longers, post: 7520405, member: 29646″]
    It’s because im not an outrage merchant like yourself
    [/QUOTE]
    We are in demonstrably worse shape than under Kenwright mate.

  148. [QUOTE=”longers, post: 7520405, member: 29646″]
    It’s because im not an outrage merchant like yourself
    [/QUOTE]
    …but he’s stated that supporters are making him make all the wrong moves. That’s about the sum of it.

    That’s not right, is it?

  149. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7520383, member: 1745″]
    He’s spent the club’s money on the squad and their management; the cash the carpetbagger laid down was for shares and to own debt.

    I cant believe you’d support a man like this attacking the fans.
    [/QUOTE]

    It’s because im not an outrage merchant like yourself

  150. [QUOTE=”havrey0123, post: 7519927, member: 7442″]
    It was poor, because of him we have had to sack managers twice because of the danger of being relegated.

    Every interview he has since coming here he has come across as an absolute idiot [B]who knows nothing about football.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]he’s not a football man. He’s taken advice and tried to hire who he thought was the best man at the time. Koeman was a top player. If you knew nothing about footie and someone in the boardroom said ‘let’s hire a guy who’s won the European cup with Barcelona and has got 5 zillion caps for Holland’, I’d wager you’d be impressed and take their advice.

  151. [QUOTE=”longers, post: 7520349, member: 29646″]
    To be fair id probably get a bit annoyed if i spunked tons of money on a club and then still had people like davek calling me a carpet bagger.
    [/QUOTE]

    He’s spent the club’s money on the squad and their management; the cash the carpetbagger laid down was for shares and to own debt.

    I cant believe you’d support a man like this attacking the fans.

  152. [QUOTE=”captainvindaloo, post: 7520357, member: 40492″]
    Then he should have made that clearer, because I read it as a man refusing to accept he made a mistake and basically blame his managerial appointment failings on a hostile fanbase.
    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said earlier, I wouldnt trust the likes of White to present an interview in any other way than to get clicks and listeners.

    Not a clue if it was edited, but lets say I have my suspicions. And I heard most of it “live”.

  153. [QUOTE=”roydo, post: 7520255, member: 6929″]
    I think that is what he was pretty much saying. In a roundabout (probably edited) sort of way.
    [/QUOTE]
    Then he should have made that clearer, because I read it as a man refusing to accept he made a mistake and basically blame his managerial appointment failings on a hostile fanbase.

  154. To be fair id probably get a bit annoyed if i spunked tons of money on a club and then still had people like davek calling me a carpet bagger.

  155. [QUOTE=”wainy, post: 7519805, member: 2710″]
    Can’t say he’s wrong about the fans, but when the club doesn’t win a trophy, or even really be competitive for 2 and a half decades then what do you expect. Goodwill has been in short supply the last few years for managers and it is what it is. Play with passion and pride and win, lose or draw, Goodison will always be behind the players and the manager.
    [/QUOTE]
    [QUOTE=”wainy, post: 7519805, member: 2710″]
    Can’t say he’s wrong about the fans, but when the club doesn’t win a trophy, or even really be competitive for 2 and a half decades then what do you expect. Goodwill has been in short supply the last few years for managers and it is what it is. Play with passion and pride and win, lose or draw, Goodison will always be behind the players and the manager.
    [/QUOTE]
    “Are you not entertained ?”

  156. [QUOTE=”captainvindaloo, post: 7520244, member: 40492″]
    Would be nice if he had outright apologised to the fans for hiring such inappropriate managers as Koeman, Allardyce and Silva.
    These three decisions have set us back years, giving even the likes of Ancelotti a mountain to climb.
    As for the fans, of course there are expectations. I think we have been patient beyond belief given the painful frustration we have had to deal with all these years.
    The fans do not have press conferences. They have only one way to verbalize their opinion (other than social media and great places like GOT), and that is at the match. If a fan can’t express feelings during an actual game then why bother letting them in?
    If these highly paid coaches and players can’t take that, then get out of the game. There is usually a very good reason why thousands of people are booing you. Take heed. NSNO!!
    [/QUOTE]
    Bang on

  157. [QUOTE=”Big_Duncs_Fod, post: 7520019, member: 50736″]
    Hes not wrong though. Too many of our fans have this delusion that we are more than what we are at the minute. I mean someone on here mentioned we were English royalty not so long ago. Which we are no where near or haven’t been for over 30 years.

    I mean a lot of our fans haven’t even seen us win a trophy and as soon as a manager hits a sticky patch they jump on the bandwagon about how the manager needs to go.

    We’ve just appointed a world class manager but he will have a sticky patch but I wont be surprised if the same fans get on his back.

    Moshiri has the luxury of not looking at the club with blue tinted glasses on and doesnt have a biased opinion.
    [/QUOTE]

    It’s not the fans getting on the managers back because of a sticky patch it’s fans getting on the managers back because they are terrible managers who show no progression. One a club has stopped progressing as a team then it’s over as a manager as the team will only go backwards.

    You make it sound like we’re ungrateful fans that have turned on world class manager after world class manager. As opposed to the relegation fodder dross that we’ve been given.

    Let’s see how we get on with a actual world class manager.

  158. [QUOTE=”catcherintherye, post: 7520258, member: 14968″]
    I think this was quite an honest interview. He is right that our core problem is that our financial base isn’t big enough. I’d love to know what plans he has to get us to improve in this area?

    He’s also right that we probably need a more experienced manager in now. I have said that increasingly, that I’m not sure a younger manager will get the time to enact a plan here. We need someone who can deliver immediate results, and then earn themselves a bit of time.
    [/QUOTE]
    Our financial base isn’t big enough ? How many hundreds of millions have been spent on players? How much on managers? And for what? Not for the managers to be fired because they dared to lose 2 home games on the bounce as he is falsely attempting to claim. No, it’s because his poor choices of manager and players have left us directly in and around the relegation zone and being thrashed by teams. If these managers were getting us even top 7/8 I don’t think there would be calls for anyone’s head.

    An absolutely disgraceful interview from a bitter man. I’d rather he went back to his yacht and stayed there instead of spending 95% of his time haemorrhaging the club with his destructive meddling.

  159. [QUOTE=”daza_1973, post: 7520097, member: 4270″]
    Good owners should be seen and not heard.
    [/QUOTE]

    And we’ve probably only heard Moshiri in a public interview 3 or 4 times in as many years!

  160. [QUOTE=”captainvindaloo, post: 7520244, member: 40492″]
    Would be nice if he had outright apologised to the fans for hiring such inappropriate managers as Koeman, Allardyce and Silva.
    These three decisions have set us back years, giving even the likes of Ancelotti a mountain to climb.
    As for the fans, of course there are expectations. I think we have been patient beyond belief given the painful frustration we have had to deal with all these years.
    The fans do not have press conferences. They have only one way to verbalize their opinion (other than social media and great places like GOT), and that is at the match. If a fan can’t express feelings during an actual game then why bother letting them in?
    If these highly paid coaches and players can’t take that, then get out of the game. There is usually a very good reason why thousands of people are booing you. Take heed. NSNO!!
    [/QUOTE]

    If you are prepared to dish it out to the players/ manager, then be able to take the odd bit of constructive criticism too.

    If you go to the games, you’ll know the boos start after a few mis places passes. It’s too much. Don’t get me wrong I agree players/ managers are not exempt from this, but our fans are particularly cut throat when it comes to this.

    So Moshiri was correct in what he said.

    I’ve lambasted the team from my seat, yet Moshiri’s comments today have not insulted me in the slightest

  161. I think this was quite an honest interview. He is right that our core problem is that our financial base isn’t big enough. I’d love to know what plans he has to get us to improve in this area?

    He’s also right that we probably need a more experienced manager in now. I have said that increasingly, that I’m not sure a younger manager will get the time to enact a plan here. We need someone who can deliver immediate results, and then earn themselves a bit of time.

  162. [QUOTE=”captainvindaloo, post: 7520244, member: 40492″]
    Would be nice if he had outright apologised to the fans for hiring such inappropriate managers as Koeman, Allardyce and Silva.
    These three decisions have set us back years, giving even the likes of Ancelotti a mountain to climb.
    As for the fans, of course there are expectations. I think we have been patient beyond belief given the painful frustration we have had to deal with all these years.
    The fans do not have press conferences. They have only one way to verbalize their opinion (other than social media and great places like GOT), and that is at the match. If a fan can’t express feelings during an actual game then why bother letting them in?
    If these highly paid coaches and players can’t take that, then get out of the game. There is usually a very good reason why thousands of people are booing you. Take heed. NSNO!!
    [/QUOTE]

    I think that is what he was pretty much saying. In a roundabout (probably edited) sort of way.

  163. [QUOTE=”CahillsCornerFlag, post: 7520172, member: 8956″]
    He’s having a bit of a pop at the fans, but he’s not really wrong to be fair. He’s delivered us Ancelotti and if all goes well a new unbelievable stadium too, so he can ring me up and personally call me a bellend for all I care. He’s delivering.
    [/QUOTE]

    Exactly. Totally agree. Bed wetters in here jumping in every minute detail of his interview.

    It’s the same bed wetters who boo the players, but not take any criticism themselves.

    Not that I’ve taken it as a criticism btw, because what’s been said is 100% accurate.

  164. Would be nice if he had outright apologised to the fans for hiring such inappropriate managers as Koeman, Allardyce and Silva.
    These three decisions have set us back years, giving even the likes of Ancelotti a mountain to climb.
    As for the fans, of course there are expectations. I think we have been patient beyond belief given the painful frustration we have had to deal with all these years.
    The fans do not have press conferences. They have only one way to verbalize their opinion (other than social media and great places like GOT), and that is at the match. If a fan can’t express feelings during an actual game then why bother letting them in?
    If these highly paid coaches and players can’t take that, then get out of the game. There is usually a very good reason why thousands of people are booing you. Take heed. NSNO!!

  165. [QUOTE=”Seathestars, post: 7520209, member: 40160″]
    Roughly translated
    I tried to get us challenging with a few younger inexperienced Managers but it didn’t work out. I didn’t realise the standards that the fans expect at Everton but I do now, hence Ancelott.

    I don’t think he’s said anything offensive or derogatory towards the fans.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yep think thats what he’s trying to say.

    Tbf I dont think his english is all that great – hopefully the basketcase just has trouble articulating what he means.

  166. Roughly translated
    I tried to get us challenging with a few younger inexperienced Managers but it didn’t work out. I didn’t realise the standards that the fans expect at Everton but I do now, hence Ancelott.

    I don’t think he’s said anything offensive or derogatory towards the fans.

  167. He’s having a bit of a pop at the fans, but he’s not really wrong to be fair. He’s delivered us Ancelotti and if all goes well a new unbelievable stadium too, so he can ring me up and personally call me a bellend for all I care. He’s delivering.

  168. [QUOTE=”Everton19, post: 7520105, member: 54879″]
    You know I’m right just sssshhh lad
    [/QUOTE]
    Nice to be called a lad after more than 60 years on this earth. And, you are wrong, as I more than adequately demonstrated.

    Last bastion of the desperate asking a winning argument to shush.

  169. I’m not at all comfortable with this massive disconnect between the players and the crowd. It’s the root of the moaning and sighing as soon as a few passes go astray, which is often tbf. But who are the crowd favourites these days? We loved most of the players in the eighties teams, but I just don’t feel anything for any of this lot. Let’s hope Carlo can change the mentality.

  170. Why on earth did he speak to that White creature? And give him plenty of time to edit the content. Not saying White did, but once bitten twice shy and all that.

    Personally, I wouldnt trust the word or methods of Jim White an inch.

  171. [QUOTE=”PhilRegan, post: 7520102, member: 42348″]
    Everytime this guy opens his mouth I wince with embarrassment.
    [/QUOTE]

    Just wish Usmanov would come on board officially, snatch the phone out of Moshiri’s hand and stamp on it.

  172. [QUOTE=”Moomin, post: 7520104, member: 12226″]
    He has basically just said the fans are like Geordies.
    [/QUOTE]
    Notice to all Horses in the area – you were warned…..

  173. [QUOTE=”chippy1722, post: 7520099, member: 294″]
    Im surprised Bill has let him take the limelight with a shiny new manager getting all the press.
    [/QUOTE]
    he’s probably tied him up in the main stand basement

  174. [QUOTE=”msb, post: 7520093, member: 8492″]
    Poch won NOTHING at Spurs. Martinez nearly had us relegated, as he did Wigan.

    Don’t be as ridiculous.
    [/QUOTE]
    You know I’m right just sssshhh lad

  175. [QUOTE=”Big_Duncs_Fod, post: 7520019, member: 50736″]
    Hes not wrong though. Too many of our fans have this delusion that we are more than what we are at the minute. I mean someone on here mentioned we were English royalty not so long ago. Which we are no where near or haven’t been for over 30 years.

    I mean a lot of our fans haven’t even seen us win a trophy and as soon as a manager hits a sticky patch they jump on the bandwagon about how the manager needs to go.

    We’ve just appointed a world class manager but he will have a sticky patch but I wont be surprised if the same fans get on his back.

    Moshiri has the luxury of not looking at the club with blue tinted glasses on and doesnt have a biased opinion.
    [/QUOTE]
    Exactly lad!are fans are embarrassing at times the way they try and push the manager out after a few defeats.carlo has his work cut out good luck to him

  176. [QUOTE=”daza_1973, post: 7520097, member: 4270″]
    Good owners should be seen and not heard.
    [/QUOTE]

    Im surprised Bill has let him take the limelight with a shiny new manager getting all the press.

  177. [QUOTE=”Benedict, post: 7520082, member: 51225″]
    I changed my vote from disappointed to pleased with him after we appointed Ancelotti, now i’m changing it back again.

    The man is a freak, while there is some truth to what he said, he has painted the whole fan base with the same brush.

    There is idiot fans at every club and they are a minority, to say our fans disown a manager after 2 home defeats is an outright lie.
    [/QUOTE]
    He has no football sensibility. A rich crank completely out of touch with reality.

  178. [QUOTE=”ADT, post: 7519951, member: 45228″]
    Yes he could have been a bit more positive but quite frankly I’m sick of the club talking bollocks and he’s saying it how it is. You’d be annoyed if 300 of your millions had been completely wasted as well
    [/QUOTE]
    If he’d said: [I]“Look, Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because we are clearly bigger and better than all clubs outside the top 5 or 6 but the fan’s reasonable expectation is that we break into the top 5 or 6 each season”, [/I] there’d be less problem with it. But he doesn’t. He preferred to say the fans are expecting miracles and are unreasonable. [B]Well, let’s all remind Moshiri that before he arrived at Everton we had finished either 5th or 6th in five of the previous 10 seasons.[/B]

    In reality: it’s not now reasonable to expect top 6 [B]ON HIS WATCH. [/B]

  179. [QUOTE=”Everton19, post: 7519990, member: 54879″]
    Martinez won the fa cup with Wigan.and spurs got poch from Southampton and look what he did with spurs.so it means nothing where the managers came from don’t be ridiculous
    [/QUOTE]

    Poch won NOTHING at Spurs. Martinez nearly had us relegated, as he did Wigan.

    Don’t be as ridiculous.

  180. Man says Goodison is an absolute boo fest and everyone flips… he’s right! Rather have that than blue bill spinning his yarn like the previous 20 odd years

  181. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7519846, member: 1745″]
    It’s an incredible attack by a man who’s made all the worst decisions in the past 4 years.

    If he’d done the right thing: hire a top CEO and then just put his feet up on his yacht we’d be in a far better position now than we are.

    He’s the architect of this mess, but he points the fingers at fans and managers.
    [/QUOTE]
    I changed my vote from disappointed to pleased with him after we appointed Ancelotti, now i’m changing it back again.

    The man is a freak, while there is some truth to what he said, he has painted the whole fan base with the same brush.

    There is idiot fans at every club and they are a minority, to say our fans disown a manager after 2 home defeats is an outright lie.

  182. [QUOTE=”Neiler, post: 7519923, member: 32″]
    All fair points, seems a bit off the wall calling out fans patience when you’ve sacked going on five managers in 2 and half years.

    Its a bit worrying that the owner is taking to heart what the fans think and say and then reacting on those whims in my opinion.

    No way to run a football club.

    Hes essentially saying Silva was a great coach, terrible luck with injuries and VAR but the fans didnt like him, so he had to make a change.

    WTF.
    [/QUOTE]
    Koeman
    Walsh
    Allardyce
    Silva

    …all down to him.

    It seems he believes that Ancelotti’s appointment can draw a discrete veil over that and leave him looking like he’s a rational man.

  183. [QUOTE=”Saint Domingo, post: 7519890, member: 16733″]
    The bloke presided over a set of circumstances that saw Sam Allardyce assisted by Sammy Lee in charge of our football club. Then he questions why the fans aren’t tolerant. Utterly amazing. He should be hiding behind the only good thing he’s done since being here which is appointing Ancelotti. The lot of them should be. DBB, Kenwright, Chong, Ryzantsev, get behind Carlo and shut up because clearly without him the lot of you haven’t got a clue.
    [/QUOTE]
    Ancelotti knows his value in this situation, as you outline, and that’s why he’s getting top dollar out of them.

  184. Hes not wrong though. Too many of our fans have this delusion that we are more than what we are at the minute. I mean someone on here mentioned we were English royalty not so long ago. Which we are no where near or haven’t been for over 30 years.

    I mean a lot of our fans haven’t even seen us win a trophy and as soon as a manager hits a sticky patch they jump on the bandwagon about how the manager needs to go.

    We’ve just appointed a world class manager but he will have a sticky patch but I wont be surprised if the same fans get on his back.

    Moshiri has the luxury of not looking at the club with blue tinted glasses on and doesnt have a biased opinion.

  185. [QUOTE=”heatmeiser, post: 7519945, member: 321″]
    I wonder if, when he spoke those words, he realised what a monumental balls up he had made with those decisions.
    [/QUOTE]
    Martinez won the fa cup with Wigan.and spurs got poch from Southampton and look what he did with spurs.so it means nothing where the managers came from don’t be ridiculous

  186. [QUOTE=”havrey0123, post: 7519936, member: 7442″]
    It wasn’t hard for him to succeed.

    1)Buy the club
    2)Appoint someone experienced to run the club,
    3)hire a top manager and give him a warchest
    [/QUOTE]
    if it was that easy, we would have 20 clubs chasing the league title every year.

  187. In other words he didn’t wanna sack silva and he thought he was a good coach but unlucky..hes basically saying Everton fans are been too impatient we give up after 2 defeats.i agree with most of what he’s saying to be fair.get behind the team and manager stop giving up on them after 2 or 3 defeats.

  188. [QUOTE=”LABlue2, post: 7519256, member: 14599″]
    Da hell? Is this some satirical article because these quotes are bizarre and insulting to the fans.
    [/QUOTE]

    Its only insulting if you take it that way. I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. In many ways he was complimentary, but he is 100% right about our fans.

    For instance, some are complaining that we have appointed Carlo Ancelotti and applied for planning permission on a new stadium on the same day.

    Literally cannot win.

  189. Yes he could have been a bit more positive but quite frankly I’m sick of the club talking bollocks and he’s saying it how it is. You’d be annoyed if 300 of your millions had been completely wasted as well

  190. [QUOTE]We’ve had managers from Wigan, Southampton, Watford [/QUOTE]

    I wonder if, when he spoke those words, he realised what a monumental balls up he had made with those decisions.

  191. I don’t personally think he said anything wrong, we are by nature a moaning bunch and definitely call out the players and management after 2 losses.

    I am going to try and throw a positive spin on this, what do you think he was getting at when he said this?
    “We dont have the financial base but the fans expectation is huge. I think this miss-match somehow needs to be resolved.”
    Thinking aloud here…….I will get my mate Usmanov to balance the cash against fans expectations????

  192. [QUOTE=”brieverton, post: 7519930, member: 39206″]
    Yes, this was pretty much my interpretation also.

    My immediate gut reaction was negative and slightly foreboding.

    From Moshiri’s perspective, it seems the Ancelotti appointment is rather like “I’ve tried Plan A, Plan B, and now Plan C, which is what you all want, and after this there is no plan. I won’t know what to do next if this fails.”

    I’m actually very nervous about Ancelotti not because of his ability and record, but indeed because it’s hard to see where we go if he turns out to be underwhelming. But we absolutely did the right thing in taking advantage of a uniquely rare opportunity here.

    Hopefully it signals that bit of luck we needed at a pivotal time and he can turn the ship around.
    [/QUOTE]

    Good post and i agree.

    Hopefully Carlo does a job, i dont have the energy for another reboot.

    Overall though you have to question the mans decision making ability and choices, even if he has good intentions.

    Like you i think hes jumped from one end to the other end on the managerial spectrum, Koeman to Allardyce, Allardyce to Silva, Silva to Carlo. Its vey flip floppy, with no coherent concrete philosophy. Hopefully Anchelotti doesnt end in tears and we jump to another bright young thing, because the cycle is becoming predictable.

    Hopefully we have just got lucky.

    Lets not forget at this stage the above hiring and firing has cost the club North of 50 mill.

    Not sure you can blame the fans on that, nor should he give the slightest flying F what fans think, you will never please everyone.

  193. It wasn’t hard for him to succeed.

    1)Buy the club
    2)Appoint someone experienced to run the club,
    3)hire a top manager and give him a warchest

  194. [QUOTE=”havrey0123, post: 7519927, member: 7442″]
    It was poor, because of him we have had to sack managers twice because of the danger of being relegated.

    Every interview he has since coming here he has come across as an absolute idiot who knows nothing about football.
    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.

    Also if it wasn’t for this ‘idiot’ we wouldn’t have a new ground to look forward to or Ancelotti as our new manager.

    Massive over action

  195. [QUOTE=”Neiler, post: 7519749, member: 32″]
    Sounds like a tired, tired interview to me tinged with frustration, slowly been worn down. The connection seems to be depleting to me.

    Not very complimentary of the fan base either, but Evertonians in particular have become very knee jerk since the expectation of a new owner arrivals has come it hasnt been our historic way, to be fair thats most of football these days.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yes, this was pretty much my interpretation also.

    My immediate gut reaction was negative and slightly foreboding.

    From Moshiri’s perspective, it seems the Ancelotti appointment is rather like “I’ve tried Plan A, Plan B, and now Plan C, which is what you all want, and after this there is no plan. I won’t know what to do next if this fails.”

    I’m actually very nervous about Ancelotti not because of his ability and record, but indeed because it’s hard to see where we go if he turns out to be underwhelming. But we absolutely did the right thing in taking advantage of a uniquely rare opportunity here.

    Hopefully it signals that bit of luck we needed at a pivotal time and he can turn the ship around.

  196. [QUOTE=”blue1948, post: 7519882, member: 25770″]
    I am often surprised at the reaction on here ,never as much as today though .They say “the truth hurts” and “don’t bury your head in the sand “.
    This guy is really trying and like every one of us he has made mistakes but he was wrong with the two losses comment -I have read players being slated before we have signed them, a player 19 years old being called rubbish and a player who has only played a few minutes called one of our best players -all this season .
    Do we have a right to complain ? Of course but it his money ,his club and for that he is entitled to say a few harsh words ,especially if they are so right they hurt the feelings of the worst critics.
    Time to have a long hard look at yourselves boys and see what you really want for xmas .
    [/QUOTE]
    His made every mistake possible since he has been here.
    Because of him we haven’t had European football in 3 years.

  197. [QUOTE=”chopper6, post: 7519832, member: 1949″]
    I listened to his interview. Actually thought he came across well.

    There’s nothing wrong with a bit of honesty, and to be fair he’s right about the crowd not giving managers much time.

    But I think the reason he actually said that was in relation to having an experienced manager that can deal with type of pressure. He said either just before or after that point that perhaps younger managers (Silva) couldn’t cope with same pressure.
    [/QUOTE]
    It was poor, because of him we have had to sack managers twice because of the danger of being relegated.

    Every interview he has since coming here he has come across as an absolute idiot who knows nothing about football.

  198. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7519846, member: 1745″]
    It’s an incredible attack by a man who’s made all the worst decisions in the past 4 years.

    If he’d done the right thing: hire a top CEO and then just put his feet up on his yacht we’d be in a far better position now than we are.

    He’s the architect of this mess, but he points the fingers at fans and managers.
    [/QUOTE]

    All fair points, seems a bit off the wall calling out fans patience when you’ve sacked going on five managers in 2 and half years.

    Its a bit worrying that the owner is taking to heart what the fans think and say and then reacting on those whims in my opinion.

    No way to run a football club.

    Hes essentially saying Silva was a great coach, terrible luck with injuries and VAR but the fans didnt like him, so he had to make a change.

    WTF.

  199. Did any of the critics listen to Don Carlo this morning ? When pressed he said they were working to have EVERTON at the top of the premiership not 4th .6th or any other but 1st ,now I know that is a hard job but Leicester pulled it off and it shows what is going on in their minds .

  200. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7519880, member: 1745″]
    It certainly doesn’t pull its punches on the fans.

    The fans welcomed him in good faith, and they really have stayed off his back (incrediobly). Now he repays them by descibing them in terms that suggest we’re irrational and need managing.

    Cheeky get.
    [/QUOTE]

    The bloke presided over a set of circumstances that saw Sam Allardyce assisted by Sammy Lee in charge of our football club. Then he questions why the fans aren’t tolerant. Utterly amazing. He should be hiding behind the only good thing he’s done since being here which is appointing Ancelotti. The lot of them should be. DBB, Kenwright, Chong, Ryzantsev, get behind Carlo and shut up because clearly without him the lot of you haven’t got a clue.

  201. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7519880, member: 1745″]
    It certainly doesn’t pull its punches on the fans.

    The fans welcomed him in good faith, and they really have stayed off his back (incrediobly). Now he repays them by descibing them in terms that suggest we’re irrational and need managing.

    Cheeky get.
    [/QUOTE]
    Okay.

    I mean, your fundamentalist interpretations are insane to me, but you do you.

  202. I am often surprised at the reaction on here ,never as much as today though .They say “the truth hurts” and “don’t bury your head in the sand “.
    This guy is really trying and like every one of us he has made mistakes but he was wrong with the two losses comment -I have read players being slated before we have signed them, a player 19 years old being called rubbish and a player who has only played a few minutes called one of our best players -all this season .
    Do we have a right to complain ? Of course but it his money ,his club and for that he is entitled to say a few harsh words ,especially if they are so right they hurt the feelings of the worst critics.
    Time to have a long hard look at yourselves boys and see what you really want for xmas .

  203. [QUOTE=”allen, post: 7519850, member: 14687″]
    ‘Attack.’

    People hear what they want to hear, I guess.
    [/QUOTE]
    It certainly doesn’t pull its punches on the fans.

    The fans welcomed him in good faith, and they really have stayed off his back (incrediobly). Now he repays them by descibing them in terms that suggest we’re irrational and need managing.

    Cheeky get.

  204. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7519846, member: 1745″]
    It’s an incredible [B]attack[/B] by a man who’s made all the worst decisions in the past 4 years.

    If he’d done the right thing: hire a top CEO and then just put his feet up on his yacht we’d be in a far better position now than we are.

    He’s the architect of this mess, but he points the fingers at fans and managers.
    [/QUOTE]
    ‘Attack.’

    People hear what they want to hear, I guess.

  205. So let’s all take the mickey out of an Iranian speaking English on a subject that is much closer to our hearts than it is to his ability to fund our passion.

    I don’t know what he said that was not absolutely true, the fans are merciless if we go 2 games defeated, it is a difficult job (given the unspoken pressure from across the park) – not insignificant to say it was supposed to take up 5% of his time, not 95% – meaning it is not working as an investment yet.

    Whilst you might not like the message, none of it was untrue. We have bought many international footballers that have not performed – this is not a bad squad, it is just playing badly and out of shape/passion. A decent manager should be able to make that squad tick better than it has. There is no better manager out there than Ancelotti.

    FFS cut the guy some slack, today of all days, delivering new stadium planning application and bringing in a genuinely world class manager – [I]”but he talks a bit funny”[/I] You guys, sheesh.

  206. [QUOTE=”Neiler, post: 7519749, member: 32″]
    Sounds like a tired, tired interview to me tinged with frustration, slowly been worn down. The connection seems to be depleting to me.

    Not very complimentary of the fan base either, but Evertonians in particular have become very knee jerk since the expectation of a new owner arrivals has come it hasnt been our historic way, to be fair thats most of football these days.
    [/QUOTE]
    It’s an incredible attack by a man who’s made all the worst decisions in the past 4 years.

    If he’d done the right thing: hire a top CEO and then just put his feet up on his yacht we’d be in a far better position now than we are.

    He’s the architect of this mess, but he points the fingers at fans and managers.

  207. New world-class stadium
    New world-class manager
    And a GOOD EVENING JIM and The Mosh calls out the fans.

    [MEDIA=youtube]MUPGxVCIvrI[/MEDIA]

  208. [QUOTE=”AmericasToffee, post: 7519820, member: 50223″]
    He’s absolutely right.
    [/QUOTE]

    Oh, he’s absolutely right

  209. I listened to his interview. Actually thought he came across well.

    There’s nothing wrong with a bit of honesty, and to be fair he’s right about the crowd not giving managers much time.

    But I think the reason he actually said that was in relation to having an experienced manager that can deal with type of pressure. He said either just before or after that point that perhaps younger managers (Silva) couldn’t cope with same pressure.

  210. [QUOTE=”Shevin Keedy, post: 7519765, member: 52749″]
    Yes. It’s also bright.
    [/QUOTE]

    Thanks spelling checker but you know what I mean mate.

  211. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]

    He’s absolutely right.

  212. [QUOTE=”hktoffee, post: 7519750, member: 16993″]
    Legendary figure at the club now.

    He signed Ancelotti. He is building a new stadium. He is providing the fund to sign players.

    Back the majority shareholder and Carlo. The future is blight very blight indeed.
    [/QUOTE]

    Blight!!!!!!!

  213. Hah, that was properly strange. Its not that hes wrong, because hes not, but its something you shouldnt say in public. Its pretty clear he really wanted Silva and didnt want to fire him, that he took his success personally because of him choosing him. That also makes it clear that Brands didnt choose Silva, and that Brands convinced him to fire Silva and hire Ancelotti. Even Billionaires get butthurt, but the difference is the good ones know to hire the right guy to run your business and then ultimately let him make the decisions even if you personally disagree.

  214. Can’t say he’s wrong about the fans, but when the club doesn’t win a trophy, or even really be competitive for 2 and a half decades then what do you expect. Goodwill has been in short supply the last few years for managers and it is what it is. Play with passion and pride and win, lose or draw, Goodison will always be behind the players and the manager.

  215. [QUOTE=”hktoffee, post: 7519750, member: 16993″]
    The future is blight very blight indeed.
    [/QUOTE]
    Yes. It’s also bright.

  216. Legendary figure at the club now.

    He signed Ancelotti. He is building a new stadium. He is providing the fund to sign players.

    Back the majority shareholder and Carlo. The future is blight very blight indeed.

  217. [QUOTE=”davek, post: 7519299, member: 1745″]
    Sounds like he’s saying he brought Ancelotti in to deal with the pressure of the job and that cash isn’t going to be made available in large amounts.

    He makes no sense to me, and he never has.
    [/QUOTE]

    Sounds like a tired, tired interview to me tinged with frustration, slowly been worn down. The connection seems to be depleting to me.

    Not very complimentary of the fan base either, but Evertonians in particular have become very knee jerk since the expectation of a new owner arrivals has come it hasnt been our historic way, to be fair thats most of football these days.

  218. It’s incredible: every time he speaks in public he comes across worse.
    [LIST]
    [*]We decided not to buy Sissoko because McCarthy is family
    [*]Lukaku’s grandmother is a voodoo witch
    [*]We have our Fab Four: Bolasie, Tosun, Walcott, Sigurdsson
    [*]I have an individual scrotum for each testicle
    [/LIST]
    …all in the voice of some weird hybrid of a James Bond villain and a dodgy scout leader from the 70s.

  219. [QUOTE=”kiss the crest, post: 7519620, member: 11149″]
    Reading between the lines, it doesn’t sound like there is going to be lots of money in Jan, as Mosheri says he has spent a lot already, that to me sounds like make these buffoons into a team
    [/QUOTE]
    Yeah we have spent a lot, you cant keep just throwing money at it, we need a quiet window.
    This squad is better then bottom 6 if we can just get 8th then build for next year

  220. Reading between the lines, it doesn’t sound like there is going to be lots of money in Jan, as Mosheri says he has spent a lot already, that to me sounds like make these buffoons into a team

  221. [QUOTE=”BrendanGOT, post: 7519546, member: 44363″]
    I don’t think he’s said much wrong there, maybe just worded it a bit weirdly but it’s not far off the mark with what he’s said about everything. It will take us years also to get our financial platform to match our ambition as fans but with patience, good support and good appointments like Ancelloti we will get there imo. Moshiri is just bad a speaking in the press, I don’t think he’s a problem with us as fans etc and wants us to succeed
    [/QUOTE]
    Exactly this.

    And if he worded it a bit strangely he probably did a better job than any of us would do if we were trying to speak Iranian.

    Doing any interview is a minefield these days while there is a generation of people on hair triggers to find something to be offended by. If it carries on the same people will be lamenting that nobody gives interviews anymore ffs.

  222. [QUOTE=”RFUS, post: 7519555, member: 7925″]
    Don’t think the fans give him enough respect to be honest. Things haven’t gone to plan but he has repeatedly put his money where his mouth is and we are now looking forward to a new stadium under a genuinely world class manager.

    Wasn’t too long ago we had gone about 3 windows without signing a player, had multiple stadium proposals fall through and had a manager happy to keep the status quo, spouting his “knife to a gun fight” rhetoric as a get out of jail free card.
    [/QUOTE]
    This. He’s put loads into the transfer budget and has a new stadium on the horizon. Now have all his hires paid off? No but he’s backed his managers in the market and will do the same with Carlo

  223. [QUOTE=”Wayno, post: 7519479, member: 2563″]
    He’s right about the fans.

    Premature booing and hissing has hindered our progress, I’ve yet to hear a good argument otherwise.

    It’s frustrating but if people want to pay money and boo the players then that’s part of Everton.

    Let’s not forget that John Stones and Ross Barkley left the club , and they both had issues with the fans behaviour.

    I think it would be incredibly naive to ever assume that the players behind closed doors weren’t saying “these lot are hard work” because of course they will be.
    [/QUOTE]
    They both left because they felt they were bigger than us as a club mate. Nothing to do with getting grief off of fans, it was about money and trophies.

  224. “disowned” by fans is a bit strong, questions will be asked of you tho for sure…as last sason they were of Silva but then he turned it around and the fans were back on side for a while.
    This season we lose at home to Sheff Utd and Norwich in the space of a month and enough is enough…hes obviously not the man to take us forward

  225. Don’t think the fans give him enough respect to be honest. Things haven’t gone to plan but he has repeatedly put his money where his mouth is and we are now looking forward to a new stadium under a genuinely world class manager.

    Wasn’t too long ago we had gone about 3 windows without signing a player, had multiple stadium proposals fall through and had a manager happy to keep the status quo, spouting his “knife to a gun fight” rhetoric as a get out of jail free card.

  226. I don’t think he’s said much wrong there, maybe just worded it a bit weirdly but it’s not far off the mark with what he’s said about everything. It will take us years also to get our financial platform to match our ambition as fans but with patience, good support and good appointments like Ancelloti we will get there imo. Moshiri is just bad a speaking in the press, I don’t think he’s a problem with us as fans etc and wants us to succeed

  227. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]
    These days, he’s not far wrong lol

  228. At least he speaks to the media rather than being aloof and distant. I like that.

    And if I had put in huge amounts of money into a club to try and improve it I’d say exactly what I thought and if you dont like it then lump it.

    I think we are a tad ungrateful at times.

  229. A lot of the problems have come from managers simply making the incorrect decisions and repeating these decisions and hoping for different outcomes.

    Martinez with his defending, set-pieces and having absolutely zero plan B even when we got worked out. Didnt we have our worst home record including 93/94 and 97/98 in his last season? He also insisted on playing Tim Howard who I recall was directly at fault for about 20 goals that season that a League One keeper would have stopped.

    Koeman was a self-serving imbecile. He bought players at “their peak” but forgot to buy quality players at their peak. He was sacked for buying Cuco, Klassan, Williams, Bolasie, Vlasic, etc etc etc for absolute extortionate fees and not replacing Lukaku. He also presided over the sale of Stones, Barkley, Deulofeu and Lukaku who would probably still be the spine of our team now.

    Allardyce was non-football men absolutely panicking. We stumbled and laboured to 8th under Fat Sam playing the worst football I have ever seen. A quality appointment would have got us to Europe easily. Relegation was never a threat.

    Silva was a combination of all of the above. Bottom line though, when you continually pick Walcott, Schnedierlin and DCL when they are performing like League Two players, when you cant defend set-pieces and you go into the season without a centre-half or striker improvement then you will struggle. The injuries got the the sack (early) but that has been a godsend because we have now got Ancelotti. Silva’s squad under Carlo will come close to Europe this season and would have broke the top 6 without those injuried to JP and Gomes.

    Relax blues, it will all come good. We now have a manager who will instill leadership, organisation and trust from the fans.

  230. [QUOTE=”TrixyStevens, post: 7519429, member: 9309″]
    The comment about investing heavily on players who are internationals would tell me that he wants Ancelotti to work with what he’s got.
    [/QUOTE]

    He will have to work with what he has got to a large extent, re-building takes time, money, and patience.

    Three successful signings down the spine of the team would work wonders for us.

    We can aim for those in January or the summer but too many signings too soon has been a downfall of its own with us and just breeds instability and incoherency.

    But I’d still expect him to unlock an improvement in results working with what he has got.

    The standard in the league is dreadful overall, so having a manger of real calibre should bring an upturn in itself really, notwithstanding the considerable work that lies ahead.

  231. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]

    Everton is a difficult job, because they’re in no man’s land. Not good enough to land Champions League level players but still have to pay a premium price or gamble on unknown quantities or players from a tier below.

  232. [QUOTE=”Gwladysstreetlad, post: 7519490, member: 30862″]
    While he was [B]ill advised [/B]to say that, he’s also 100% correct…….
    [/QUOTE]

    The bigger concern is that he probably wasn’t advised at all. This is his own self-edited, pre-approved communication.

    Christ knows what he’s like behind closed doors.

  233. Being in thrall of what the most vociferous fans think is a recipe for disaster a goodly amount are off their skulls far better to pick one out in the main stand and shout through a bull horn “SHUT IT SOFT LAD”

  234. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]
    While he was ill advised to say that, he’s also 100% correct…….

  235. You would of thought he would of learned to keep his mouth shut by now, the next time he speaks i’m just gonna plug my ears.

  236. He’s right about the fans.

    Premature booing and hissing has hindered our progress, I’ve yet to hear a good argument otherwise.

    It’s frustrating but if people want to pay money and boo the players then that’s part of Everton.

    Let’s not forget that John Stones and Ross Barkley left the club , and they both had issues with the fans behaviour.

    I think it would be incredibly naive to ever assume that the players behind closed doors weren’t saying “these lot are hard work” because of course they will be.

  237. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]

    Depends who we lose against. Losing at home to Sheffield United and joint bottom club Norwich City definitely requires questions asked.

  238. The fact he hoped it would only be 5% of his time is indicative of our lack of progression.

    If he puts in the effort/time he will get the fruits of his hard work.

  239. [QUOTE=”Thomasc, post: 7519383, member: 38546″]
    I disagree, it’s all fine lines.

    Koeman was decent first season and got us European football after 2 x 11th place finishes. Bad recruitment which led to bad form cost him his job, but I don’t remember anyone on here moaning when we were signing the Ajax captain, Keane, Pickford etc.

    Nobody expected Silva to fall off a cliff like he did this season either. We all expected him to learn from his mistakes and after a strong finish to last season it looked like he had. He was unlucky with injuries and VAR decisions, that’s not even questionable.

    it’s all very fine margins in football. We were trying to break into a higher place by buying established players from other clubs to help us get there, but it clearly wasn’t enough as all of a sudden every club in the league had money and could go and improve too and some of them improved better than we did.
    [/QUOTE]

    Remember Koeman not even giving Niasse a locker even though he was part of the first team. His man management was horrible and he had favourites, and his tactics for some games was just horrible, by the end of it, you just knew Koeman couldn’t recover and he was losing consistently.

    Silva – if you have to rely on VAR to save your job, you can’t really be that great. Even last year, after a good start, there was a good 3 month period where he could not win which should have sent alarm bells ringing.

  240. The comment about investing heavily on players who are internationals would tell me that he wants Ancelotti to work with what he’s got.

  241. Yes some of the stuff he said was bizarre, but I was pleased to see his acknowledgement that you lose something if Evertonians aren’t behind the team. He seems to be saying that he has been inspired by the passion he has seen recently.

    Also pointing out that we need a top, experienced manager to deal with the job is good. You can say what you want about the guy, and he has done some mad things but he really has come through for us here in pushing for Carlo and not listening to the naysayers. By all accounts it was his desire and determination that got us Ancelotti when we would have been scrabbling around for Moyes or Howe. He really has shown ambition here, and whether it’s a successful appointment or not, I truly applaud him for this.

  242. Maybe if we accepted two home defeats gracefully then we would have Silva still in charge or re-appointed Moyes, so the fact is, he’s took notice and gone and got us Ancelotti!!

    Played Farhad lad

  243. The expectations are if you spend the 3rd/4th/5th most money you expect to be closer to those positions than 17th.

    If you are not then someone isn’t up to the job.

  244. He should never be allowed to do interviews regarding Everton, period. Came across protective towards his own very poor decisions and bitter towards the fan base. Always 2 home losses away from being disowned by the fans my ass. We have just endured Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva and in all instances (apart from the tosser Allardyce who he should never have hired in the first place) the supporters stuck with them and it was only towards the end and specifically when Everton left it far too long to get rid of them that the fanbase turned apathetic and turned on them.

    Still doesn’t understand football, the club or the fan base so just keep on giving us your money Farhad and keep your trap shut and all will be fine.

  245. There’s nothing wrong with what he said. People moan about anything. Without this bloke we’d still be scratching around for Loan deals for paul dickov.

  246. [QUOTE=”pink toffees, post: 7519295, member: 17138″]
    I think what he is trying to say is an inexperienced manager like Silva was not able to handle the pressure. Thats why they went down the road of Ancelotti.
    [/QUOTE]

    That’s the line that I paid most attention too. It’s an angle I’d never thought about before but it stands out as being an obvious and intelligent approach to our situation.

  247. [QUOTE=”arbok, post: 7519350, member: 1287″]
    I know its all just PR for fans to swallow, but i wouldn’t describe Marco as ‘unlucky’ – its almost like Farhad is trying to save himself from that calamitous decision.

    Also if Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce failed why give it to another ‘inexperienced’ manager like Silva?

    With all that said – im just glad he got us Ancelotti.
    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree, it’s all fine lines.

    Koeman was decent first season and got us European football after 2 x 11th place finishes. Bad recruitment which led to bad form cost him his job, but I don’t remember anyone on here moaning when we were signing the Ajax captain, Keane, Pickford etc.

    Nobody expected Silva to fall off a cliff like he did this season either. We all expected him to learn from his mistakes and after a strong finish to last season it looked like he had. He was unlucky with injuries and VAR decisions, that’s not even questionable.

    it’s all very fine margins in football. We were trying to break into a higher place by buying established players from other clubs to help us get there, but it clearly wasn’t enough as all of a sudden every club in the league had money and could go and improve too and some of them improved better than we did.

  248. Completely bizzare.. I don’t agree with the fans malarkey. Yes people will moan but we went on that awful run last Christmas and Goodison was rocking the moment we put away Arsenal, United etc at the end of the season.

    And what kind of idiot thinks they’re going to pay £500m or so for a century old business that affects hundreds of thousands of people and only commit 5% of their time to it. Really doesn’t endear himself.

  249. I think to be fair he did say your are two home losses away from losing the fans in football, and not at Everton. Whilst I’m sure he is implying that to us and at Goodison, it’s also relatively reflective of the majority of football clubs in the EPL.

    A really odd statement of course, but, I’ll give him a tiny bit of slack after just pulling off the carlo appointment.

  250. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519344, member: 11912″]
    Yeah, as I said in a follow-up, once you lose the fans its game over, think we all know that.

    You just don’t really say it.
    [/QUOTE]

    He’s shown over his time here that he can be a bit of a fruitcake and spouts off without seemingly thinking sometimes ( Lukaku comments etc ) , but he’s our fruitcake now, so I’m going to swerve any faux outrage and let him get on with getting a stadium built while we have an actual world class manager in charge.

    Obviously if it all goes tits up some time in the future then I’ll be at the front of the queue in the lynch mob.

  251. The fella does not interview well at all. Read between the lines with the goodison fans comment, like some have mentioned he’s probably trying to be positive and say that the managers weren’t up to it and the fans demand win.

    just come across like a bit of a dick, as per every interview he does

  252. I know its all just PR for fans to swallow, but i wouldn’t describe Marco as ‘unlucky’ – its almost like Farhad is trying to save himself from that calamitous decision.

    Also if Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce failed why give it to another ‘inexperienced’ manager like Silva?

    With all that said – im just glad he got us Ancelotti.

  253. He’s told the truth (apart from the fans fault bit about two games off sacking) ok maybe he should keep it to himself but nobody can truly argue with what he’s said. On the finance I think he’s talking about growing the commercial side of the club to match all other expectations within the club and not saying he’s not putting any more cash in for Carlo.

  254. His comments regarding losing Goodison are way off tbh. We get a bit restless like, but we’ve put up with some rubbish over the years. If fans seen effort and commitment from both players and managers, bad results are forgiven. It’s quite difficult having worked your arse off all week, to watch millionaires seemingly not give a crap about something you hold dearly. It sucks the life out you.

    His comments regarding fans expectations are spot on, and so they should have these expectations. We’ve only won the league 9 times, 4th most in the country like.

  255. [QUOTE=”Catfish Blues, post: 7519336, member: 9790″]
    Although it’s a stupid thing for him to say, he’s not far off the mark with that.
    Obviously he, his money and his words, have caused that situation, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yeah, as I said in a follow-up, once you lose the fans its game over, think we all know that.

    You just don’t really say it.

  256. [QUOTE=”COYBL25, post: 7519329, member: 8087″]
    Yet another example of why he shouldn’t be let near a microphone.
    [/QUOTE]

    No wonder Jim White has been all over him, he’ll give him a soundbite every time he speaks.

  257. [QUOTE=”Toffe3m4n, post: 7519334, member: 97″]
    Wow. Very frank words there from the owner.

    It almost sounds as if, I dunno.. he’s getting a bit pissed off with the fans? :Blink:
    [/QUOTE]

    [I]’You keep making me sack managers, it’s costing me a fortune'[/I]

  258. [QUOTE=”SpongeBob brown shoes, post: 7519322, member: 39010″]
    Think he’s still trying to make out that his choice in Koeman and Silva were the right choices but the fans didn’t back them so he’s gone for experience

    Just admit you’ve made a complete mess of the running of Everton football club and now your going to let people who know what their on about have a go
    [/QUOTE]

    That’s how I took it too. Who cares, we got Carlo calling the shots now.

  259. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]

    Although it’s a stupid thing for him to say, he’s not far off the mark with that.
    Obviously he, his money and his words, have caused that situation, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

  260. Don’t see a problem with anything he has said there.

    Good to see he is in touch with reality as well and the fact that Duncan has been able to steady the ship by installing a bit of passion back into it.

  261. Wow. Very frank words there from the owner.

    It almost sounds as if, I dunno.. he’s getting a bit pissed off with the fans? :Blink:

  262. God, they are going to give it to Duncan after Ancelotti aren’t they? :Blink:

    Build it up and then smash it down.

  263. [QUOTE=”GrandOldTeam, post: 7519319, member: 1″]
    Clear cookies mate
    [/QUOTE]

    I know a man that can help with that.

    [USER=3358]@MarcelsGoat[/USER]

  264. [QUOTE=”GrandOldTeam, post: 7519319, member: 1″]
    Clear cookies mate
    [/QUOTE]

    [IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/bAlYQOugzX9sY/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a8a9344cf49a46607b452afb50c9578b9e040d8cb&rid=giphy.gif[/IMG]

  265. Think he’s still trying to make out that his choice in Koeman and Silva were the right choices but the fans didn’t back them so he’s gone for experience

    Just admit you’ve made a complete mess of the running of Everton football club and now your going to let people who know what their on about have a go

  266. Silva getting robbed by var is a blessing in disguise, The man was never good enough and the sooner we got rid the better.

  267. Sounds like he’s saying he brought Ancelotti in to deal with the pressure of the job and that cash isn’t going to be made available in large amounts.

    He makes no sense to me, and he never has.

  268. I think what he is trying to say is an inexperienced manager like Silva was not able to handle the pressure. Thats why they went down the road of Ancelotti.

  269. Probably means he’s lost a massive wedge in compensation deals with our previous manager sackings. It’s all the fan’s fault.

  270. Rather strange inference that the fans weren’t patient enough with Silva. Any more patience and we would be in an even worse state.

    Interesting comments about not having the financial base.

    Is he referring to commercial revenue there? It would seem odd to hint at a period of austerity on the same day Ancelotti has had his first press conference. I suspect it’s the former even though I would still assume we will have to be very careful with stadium funding to be factored in as well.

  271. [QUOTE=”Nymzee, post: 7519263, member: 26361″]
    Has our owner just dug out our own fans????????
    [/QUOTE]

    He basically said when you lose the fans its game over but maybe he should stop speaking

  272. Strange article that, dont think hes wrong with anything hes said in all honesty but strange nonetheless, especially given the timing.

  273. Think he was better keeping some of that to himself but all you have to do is come on here after a defeat and he isn’t that far from being right.

  274. [QUOTE=”Connor, post: 7519247, member: 11912″]
    “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳
    [/QUOTE]

    Has our owner just dug out our own fans????????

  275. “Everton is a very, very difficult job in football because you’re two home losses from being disowned by fans.”

    😳

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