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We’re in a mess. Surely we can all agree on that it’s pretty obvious? As supporters, we tend to agree on general issues when it comes to Everton, but how to fix the mess seems to divide us.

Continuous glimpses at my phone over the last 48 hours hasn’t delivered the news I’ve been hoping for – Marco Silva has been sacked by Everton Football Club. Sacked, left by mutual consent, I don’t care for the particulars at this point, I simply want him moved on.

I’ve felt for some time he isn’t at the calibre required to move us forward, nothing personal, I’m sure he works incredibly hard, of course he wants to be a success, but at this stage in his career he’s evidently out of his depth. I struggle how anyone can defend his position at this stage. In fact it baffles me. A team is always a reflection of the manager.

Murmurs circulating suggest Silva has the West Ham game to either bide him a bit of time or send him down the river. If there’s any truth to this then I worry about the sanity of Everton FC as an entity, specifically the decision-makers. The rationale underpinning this is berserk, even if we win, it’s akin to putting a strip of toilet paper over a gushing arterial bleed. It’s tired, it’s spent, it’s stale and fundamentally its wrong; the manger has to go now.

If we procrastinate on this decision it indicates to me that we haven’t really changed, inaction on important decisions has cost Everton dearly in the past and as I glance again at my phone looks like it could do again.

After Burnley I wanted Everton to show some assertiveness, decisiveness and demonstrate that we’re not going to accept mediocrity anymore, the fact mediocre is enviable at the moment highlights where we are. Inevitably we’ve had silence followed by the West Ham saviour game rumblings, It’s patronising and predictably pathetic.

But aren’t we too accepting of it all? We might like to think we aren’t as we squabble amongst ourselves, but the truth is we are. We allow it to happen. We let Everton get away with it. Maybe we’re pathetic too? The evidence is there, it’s been a quarter of a century since we won anything, as the main fella said we’re Everton aren’t we? We ain’t no Mickey Mouse club.

We accept mediocrity as supporters, in fact there’s a section of us that encourage it, evident now more than ever with the current debacle. Allow me to caveat what’s coming by saying that there’s some great Everton podcasts, Everton dedicated media outlets and individuals in our local press. However, these people have a voice, have influence, they’re supposed to be representative of supporters, an authority and some of them by backing the manger now demonstrates clearly how we encourage this nonsense.

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world, everyone’s entitled to them and although sometimes cheap they should be respected. I get that. What I take umbrage to is some of the reasoning telling me why I’m wrong from wanting the manager out now.

This isn’t exhaustive, but apparently I just don’t understand football – I lack education in the intricacies of the game, I’m knee jerk, reactionary, can’t recognise the project, I don’t understand recruitment, I lack the ability to comprehend how injuries are hampering us and the classic who is going to come in? I can sense their arrogance, their belief that they’re so much more cultured by calling for patience, it drives my mad. I don’t want to hear another pretentious hipster aroused by their own intelligence explaining to me why I’m a degenerate for wanting Silva sacked on a podcast ever again. It’s not what I want to read in articles either.

There’s undoubtedly wider problems at Everton but the one staring at us in the face weekly is the manager. It’s not hidden and it’s not subtle. So why are we reluctant to address it head on? No, instead we skirt around the edges and turn our attention to blaming Brands, the wider coaching setup, players mentality, players desire and even Moshiri. There’s merit in these points but fundamentally matters on the pitch are solely the responsibility of the manager. That’s it.

The alarming shouts for the return of Moyes, the bizarre logic of keeping the manager because ‘there’s nobody else’, the cries for stability despite the house burning down, the worry that others will see us as a sacking club and the steadfast insistence of hanging in there with this manager due to the wider picture/the project; these are some of the reasons why it’s our fault, why we don’t progress and why any hope of tangible success seems so far away.

At some point on this bumpy journey we’ve lost our way, we’ve been lulled into acceptance, drained of hope and unforgivably let our standards slip so far adrift we no longer have any reference point. We don’t even know how to define our success as a club anymore. As an Evertonian it’s a tragic thing.

We have to take some collective responsibility ourselves. The resources are there now, let’s set some proper standards ourselves, this shouldn’t be happening we should stop pretending it’s okay, stop turning a blind eye to regression and let’s demand more – we’ve been patient enough.

  1. The mitigation concerning his midfield options is the only reason im not demanding he be sacked hourly like most.

    I mean I would still sack him, but I can see why he hasnt been sacked.

    I will say this, if we lose to Watford in the Carabao, it’ll be tough for even his staunchest supporters to defend.

  2. I don’t think any defeats are acceptable! But I’m not going to isolate 4 games over the next 5 years. I do not think Silva is without fault, far from it, but we still have yet to field a healthy midfield and truth be told have no other options in the defense our midfield right now. Now if he continues to insist on the same XI, in the same formation, deploying the same tactics, I’m with you. It’s not acceptable.

    Start with dropping Gylfi that turd.

    The mitigation concerning his midfield options is the only reason im not demanding he be sacked hourly like most.

    I mean I would still sack him, but I can see why he hasnt been sacked.

  3. 4 defeats on the bounce isnt knee jerk, its a major, major concern.

    Im not somebody who panics or who calls for the managers head for no reason.

    I havent even said we should sack him, but 4 defeats for any team should send alarm bells, I think people who want him sacked are justified in their concerns.

    I mean how defeats do you think is acceptable?

    I don’t think any defeats are acceptable! But I’m not going to isolate 4 games over the next 5 years. I do not think Silva is without fault, far from it, but we still have yet to field a healthy midfield and truth be told have no other options in the defense our midfield right now. Now if he continues to insist on the same XI, in the same formation, deploying the same tactics, I’m with you. It’s not acceptable.

    Start with dropping Gylfi that turd.

  4. 4 defeats on the bounce isnt knee jerk, its a major, major concern.

    Im not somebody who panics or who calls for the managers head for no reason.

    I havent even said we should sack him, but 4 defeats for any team should send alarm bells, I think people who want him sacked are justified in their concerns.

    I mean how defeats do you think is acceptable?

    You have to look through the underlying factors under a streak of loses. No one can say Silva’s team was comprehensively outplayed during these defeats. You will also have to look at the different factors such as injuries, time for a defensive partnership to gel, strikers requiring more experience, etc.

    To sack a manager on the basis of losing four games on the trot is rather simplistic.

  5. That’s the very definition of kneejerk. 4 poor games in the Fall of 2019 vs what the club is trying to build for the next 5 years and beyond.

    4 defeats on the bounce isnt knee jerk, its a major, major concern.

    Im not somebody who panics or who calls for the managers head for no reason.

    I havent even said we should sack him, but 4 defeats for any team should send alarm bells, I think people who want him sacked are justified in their concerns.

    I mean how defeats do you think is acceptable?

  6. I remember the days of when fans wanted Howard Kendall sacked and the noise was far deafening than that of Silva’s.

    It must be remembered we are a club in transition and the first goal is to build a squad. We have a long way to go due to the amount of dross we have collected since Martinez was sacked.

    I am not too concerned with short term results but place a huge emphasis on being successful for the future. We can only achieve that if our squad is strong enough which it isn’t.

    The Brands/Silva haven’t bought badly and that is their main strength if we are to progress for the future. I want Everton in the Champions League and I couldn’t care less if we finish six place every season. If some of our knee jerk fans want Everton to be a sacking club based on primitive instincts then I fear the club will never achieve its ambitions of the future.

    Very very well said. There doesn’t seem to be many who can look further than Halloween let alone as far into the future as 2020.

  7. No doubt we are in a tricky position but it is the easiest thing in the world as supporters to come on forums and bleat about the manager not being good enough.
    Before Fireman Sam we had Koeman who just picked up his wages and Martinez who looked for one season like the messiah but pretty soon stopped performing Miracles.
    So you say Silva must go in a very forthright and erudite way then you must have a solution.
    Because surely a ship without a Captain is even worse than one who may not be very good at it.
    I say may not because when we stuffed Chelsea Arsenal and Man U at the back end of last season and finished with a game we deserved to win at Spurs he was looking pretty good to me.
    Criticism without an alternative what the hell is that ?

    Bang on. All we see – ONLY from the Silva out/chronic whingers – is complain complain complain. Not one single ounce of thought and clearly no thought-out solutions. Anyone who clamours for Moyes doesn’t seem to have watched football in roughly 10 years.

    I am not a Silva out guy, nor am I giving him a pass. I don’t think our players have taken any of the blame, when surely there’s a lot to go around. I think Silva’s stubbornness to adjust our starting side, formation, tactics is very much a problem. But Silva isn’t signing players. Silva didn’t let Gana go, and Silva didn’t injure his already paper-thin midfield.

    You can rattle on and on and on about motivating blah blah blah but these are multimillionaire athletes who can’t even seem to adequately perform the simplest of basic football tasks. Explain to me how scrapping our 5th manager in 6 years will help?

    You want him gone, that’s fine. He hasn’t shown that he deserves to stay. But do it at the end of the season. Yet one more sacking mid-season only continues the decline. Stop talking about relegation. There are 90 points left to earn. Either trust in the process or don’t, but demanding a kneejerk response is juvenile at best. City took 3-4 years to right their ship and that was less then 10 years ago. Very short memories, you lot.

  8. Poppycock Young man.

    You don’t need a myriad of stats to form an opinion but I’d be interested to advise on the nonsense.

    To never have come back to win a game, be in the bottom 3 after a promising run of fixtures and to have form for circling the drain after last seasons anfield defeat are not dressed up stats, they are a damming indictment of a failing coach.

    I remember the days of when fans wanted Howard Kendall sacked and the noise was far deafening than that of Silva’s.

    It must be remembered we are a club in transition and the first goal is to build a squad. We have a long way to go due to the amount of dross we have collected since Martinez was sacked.

    I am not too concerned with short term results but place a huge emphasis on being successful for the future. We can only achieve that if our squad is strong enough which it isn’t.

    The Brands/Silva haven’t bought badly and that is their main strength if we are to progress for the future. I want Everton in the Champions League and I couldn’t care less if we finish six place every season. If some of our knee jerk fans want Everton to be a sacking club based on primitive instincts then I fear the club will never achieve its ambitions of the future.

  9. Some of the stats quoted by some of the knee jerkers have been interpreted in such a way to affirm their own biases. I’m very comfortable in using stats so I know when someone is talking nonsense.

    Personally, I wouldn’t go on what the majority say on here. Most people aren’t good at making decisions and so they try to play it safe by going for what the majority say.

    Poppycock Young man.

    You don’t need a myriad of stats to form an opinion but I’d be interested to advise on the nonsense.

    To never have come back to win a game, be in the bottom 3 after a promising run of fixtures and to have form for circling the drain after last seasons anfield defeat are not dressed up stats, they are a damming indictment of a failing coach.

  10. Agreed with parts of that but there were some things I didn’t think were fair. For example, criticising the "who do we get in then" line. I think that’s a valid question. The names i’ve seen being thrown around all have risks and the potential to set us back, just like this Silva appointment.

    I also think some of our fans delude themselves in to thinking that our achievements as a club over our history should influence how we act now. We are well below our natural status in the game when taking in to account the whole of football history, and there is nothing wrong with wanting us to put that right, but managerial suggestions have to be realistic and ambitious and not just flat out delusional. Top managers in the game don’t care that we’ve played the most games in the top flight and won league titles in the 60’s and 80’s.

  11. This is the first time I’ve been on a football forum but am a member of several non-football forums for a number of years. One thing that I’ve learnt over the years is that most people aren’t very good at making decisions. It may sound comical to you but then you don’t know me well enough.

    I have read the toing and froing on this topic and it seems you are not to be moved ,that I can admire but it doesn’t mean I agree .I think we have both ends of the stick and no one wants to move so give it up as a bad job .
    I have not been one for sacking managers as far back as the leaflets for Howard ,I don’t feel I know enough to make that decision normally.But there are certain facts that are indisputable .One that we are in the bottom three and that should have an effect on the players -hopefully good .Two we have a manager that will not change his ways ,this is proven every week .Three he has " his team" and other than injuries he will not change them .
    For me that is a combination for a very dismal future as a blue and for that I want him gone .
    The first manager I have ever gone this far .
    Saying that we must have a replacement lined up and contrary to other opinions I feel we could get a top name .If they want to try the Prem then they will see the ambition in the club by the way we move the bad ones on .

  12. Im sorry but I find this utterly comical.

    And now I really cant wait to see what such a forward-thinking man like yourself thinks of the current situation.

    This is the first time I’ve been on a football forum but am a member of several non-football forums for a number of years. One thing that I’ve learnt over the years is that most people aren’t very good at making decisions. It may sound comical to you but then you don’t know me well enough.

  13. Some of the stats quoted by some of the knee jerkers have been interpreted in such a way to affirm their own biases. I’m very comfortable in using stats so I know when someone is talking nonsense.

    Personally, I wouldn’t go on what the majority say on here. Most people aren’t good at making decisions and so they try to play it safe by going for what the majority say.

    Im sorry but I find this utterly comical.

    And now I really cant wait to see what such a forward-thinking man like yourself thinks of the current situation.

  14. Think given the stats against Silva as a manager , combined with the horrendous 3 month (third of a season) run last year and the fixtures we have had. It’s not really knee jerk to have lost faith in him.

    Essentially we are on the relegation zone with a manager who loses more than he wins, concedes from set pieces more than anyone else and doesn’t seem to be able to drop players when they aren’t performing leading to even more bad results.

    Going by reactions on here and reading the majority of posts, this turn on the manager doesn’t seem to be fuelled by a knee jerk reaction much like koeman or a hatred like allardyce. This is fans waking up and seeing it for what it is, knowing it won’t get better and statistically more misery to come.

    Some of the stats quoted by some of the knee jerkers have been interpreted in such a way to affirm their own biases. I’m very comfortable in using stats so I know when someone is talking nonsense.

    Personally, I wouldn’t go on what the majority say on here. Most people aren’t good at making decisions and so they try to play it safe by going for what the majority say.

  15. Sacking a manager for four straight defeats is a knee jerk reaction. Particularly if the problem is the result of historic poor transfer dealings prior to Siva’s appointment.

    Think given the stats against Silva as a manager , combined with the horrendous 3 month (third of a season) run last year and the fixtures we have had. It’s not really knee jerk to have lost faith in him.

    Essentially we are on the relegation zone with a manager who loses more than he wins, concedes from set pieces more than anyone else and doesn’t seem to be able to drop players when they aren’t performing leading to even more bad results.

    Going by reactions on here and reading the majority of posts, this turn on the manager doesn’t seem to be fuelled by a knee jerk reaction much like koeman or a hatred like allardyce. This is fans waking up and seeing it for what it is, knowing it won’t get better and statistically more misery to come.

  16. It seems the purpose of the article is to leverage fans against Silva and to condemn fans who have a more holistic understanding of the situation and provide helpful solutions.

    These type of articles only serves the knee jerking reaction of the author rather than providing informative help to Everton’s woes.

    Feel free to give us your words then mate.

  17. It seems the purpose of the article is to leverage fans against Silva and to condemn fans who have a more holistic understanding of the situation and provide helpful solutions.

    These type of articles only serves the knee jerking reaction of the author rather than providing informative help to Everton’s woes.

  18. Of course its our fault, we allow ourselves to dream, we give ourselves hope.

    If we all just accepted we are an utterly no mark club and just enjoy the footy things will become much happier.

  19. I look at it this way…been a season ticket holder for eons and the last time I ‘enjoyed’ the match was Martinez’s first season. Koeman, fat sam, and now this…my heart sinks when I see a home game because I know after the first minutes of roar you will hear a pin drop for the next 90 mins with nothing for us to cheer about. I’m not a chanter but even I try to bolster the millionaires on the pitch! You all might disagree but to me going to the match is not something I look forward to ATM…look forward to is taking my auld fella (living with cancer and he loves the old lady) plus my pie more than the game.
  20. No doubt we are in a tricky position but it is the easiest thing in the world as supporters to come on forums and bleat about the manager not being good enough.
    Before Fireman Sam we had Koeman who just picked up his wages and Martinez who looked for one season like the messiah but pretty soon stopped performing Miracles.
    So you say Silva must go in a very forthright and erudite way then you must have a solution.
    Because surely a ship without a Captain is even worse than one who may not be very good at it.
    I say may not because when we stuffed Chelsea Arsenal and Man U at the back end of last season and finished with a game we deserved to win at Spurs he was looking pretty good to me.
    Criticism without an alternative what the hell is that ?
  21. I felt Silva wasn’t the man after the aftermath of that Anfield game. Instead of rallying the guys after a difficult result, we went on our worst run of form in quite a while. It soured him on me ever since and it dawned on me that he was in no way a leader.

    You can’t throw away half of your season under any circumstance, but you sure as hell can’t do it as a result of a derby. That should be your rallying cry. He lost me after that lull.

  22. Good article sir, I don’t accept mediocrity I accept that for Everton to go to the places we all want to go it will take time though and it’s not gonna be an instant thing. I think the board need to step up big time now and get a credible manager in, Martinez and Silva were both coin tosses and failed, Koeman had a bit about him and was on the come up but he was undoubted the worse we’ve had.
  23. Couldn’t agree more mate. I miss the time when we were even mediocre. Putting the team in relegation table itself should be enough to have Silva sacked.

    I can’t believe that there are fans who believe Silva has a long term plan or a vision. Long term vision can be achieved with a series of short term achievements. Just because you don’t want to see another manager sacked, it doesn’t mean the manager is worth saving. It is about damn time to move on.

    Great post.

    Especially that bit ;)

  24. I agree with the gillmartin post above,the managers lost his way with any of the top six clubs he,d be gone now we,ve had some bad managers of late an he’s another one we seem scared to sack him because we can’t attract the type of manager we want but we have to try because this fella,s goin now we’re.
  25. Couldn’t agree more mate. I miss the time when we were even mediocre. Putting the team in relegation table itself should be enough to have Silva sacked.

    I can’t believe that there are fans who believe Silva has a long term plan or a vision. Long term vision can be achieved with a series of short term achievements. Just because you don’t want to see another manager sacked, it doesn’t mean the manager is worth saving. It is about damn time to move on.

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